Yikes

So many fucking lowlives in this hobby....

Pretty sure we've seen complaints about this seller before. Namely being notorious for apparently skirting around paying Pinside fees (which are miniscule) upon selling items.

Sorry, looks like you were Choggard.

Maybe by perfect he meant perfect flaking? That sucks. What a scumbag.

I wonder if it's the same one they posted when they had the full (?) game listed for sale, also said the BG was perfect but you can see in the crappy picture it's not. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/future-spa-project-for-sale-

Be sure to leave negative feedback on their profile page, hopefully they'll have a change of heart and let you return it or work something out with you.

No negative feedback posted. I wish more people would use the negative feedback to let us know.

Assuming you paid via paypal file a claim and get your money back.

Please go to his profile and add negative feedback on the sale

https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/pinaddict91/feedback

I can't believe he said that was a perfect BG

I have been doing the pinball thing for several years now, and I still don't understand why this is the case. Maybe there are a lot more pinball people than I think who are trying to "serve two masters" by combining a hobby with a career, and they inevitably end up feeling pressure from the career side which ultimately prompts the scammy behavior? I don't know...

I do know that I have participated for much longer in R/C, astronomy, and music/audio hobbies, and the quantity of despicable people I have encountered and/or known about in those circles is almost nil in comparison.

I was referring this thread for those interested:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/abuse-of-marketplace#post-5336103

Expect more of this type of behavior. Hard times bring out the worst in people, even when it is not in their best interests.

From reading his ads, I kinda learned to avoid the guy.

Looks like he deactivated his account, probably for the better.

Hey OP, you should add the seller's name to your thread title for maximum visibility.

Quickie rush job on aligning things, but there's no doubt about it.

https://i.imgur.com/4XH8Yw4.gif

Always check out sales and topic history. (Right away - you would have seen: This person was scum).

ALL ADS
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ARCHIVED ADS
Games
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Parts
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SUCCESS
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Unsold <<< Either an idiot, or a liar. Either way ????
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This guy was trying to hock crappy EM's for over $1,000 and people laughing at him.
And..
You also would have seen that he sold a Future Spa with an only OK backglass (claimed it was great), so whatever crummy spare he had lying around was what went to you.

Yes..a real scumbag.

Why your bank? Wouldn't you just file with Paypal directly? They take care of these things.

I highly doubt it.

If it is that one it also appears to be missing the plastic hologram gel that is supposed to be taped to the glass behind the games name. This is what causes the trippy hologram lighting effect in the font “Future Spa” on the glass.

Oldie but a goodie. (In a negative sense)

You ever called PayPal? I had a thousand dollar charge on my CC from PP. After two hours of me answering questions and being on hold for over half it. They could not figure out who was at fault. I called my cc 5 minutes later the charge was disputed. The pal part is only when they are making money off of you.

He would not have to call Paypal. I had an item from a vendor I ordered in June and it was never shipped. Vendor has not emailed me in 3 months. I filed a claim with paypal in 30 seconds online. He would file a case the same way and provide photos etc. No one to call.

Your case sounds like a mistake happened (mystery charge) and no one could figure out why. That is frustrating but you are comparing apples to oranges I think.

Plus, frankly, why wouldn't you take two swings at it? Dispute with Paypal and then if you do not get the right result you reserve the right to dispute with your card company later. Paypal terms of service (as of today) even permit this and reference it. "If you choose to dispute a transaction with PayPal and we decide against you, you can seek to pursue the dispute with your card issuer later." https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#purchase-protection

This cracked me up too. I bought my first game from Choggard.

Fair enough. I respect that position. Regardless of how you disputed it you certainly deserve your money back and I hope you get it quickly.

Pity this hobby is a magnet for rip off artists
A person ibe known for a few years calls me wanting to sell a dr pinball lcd screen set up though no harm in looking , turn up and was told it cost 1k to buy i told him thats bullshit he tried to tell me thays what he was told
I pointed out the setup was missing the controller board another blank stare trying to make out he knew no better
All said and done he sold it on a PINBALL forum here to a unsuspecting victim knowing full well it wasnt complete and hes the tip of the iceberg

You jibber jabber to much. I can call PayPal and get jerked off. Hmmm no thanks. I’ll just call my bank or cc. No wait you’re right! I’m going to look up the terms of agreement with my inspector gadget lens. Hmmm see how you are wrong mister PayPal. I got you right where I want you. Hmmmm see how smart I am. I could called my cc or my bank....but no. I am clever. I just wasted a shit load time to prove what?

Calling paypal will only get you to message no help use the online dispute at this time . Dispute online recourse highly unstasfactory as well . Will respond to online dispute within 72 hours by paypal not met repeatedly . Yes will waste shitload time . However the eventual satisfaction not being ripped off somewhat gratifying.

Good luck Shane

I am confused by some of the comments here. PAYPAL merchant transactions are guaranteed that you receive what you paid for. (Not Friends and Family). That guarantee is part of the transaction fee they charge. If you did not get what you paid for, then you have a valid claim with PAYPAL. It starts with an online claim process, and I have used it perhaps 6 or 7 times, each time with perfect results. The only issue I see here may be the quality of what was sold may be a subjective detail that requires a bit more explanation, but I don't see it being a problem.

https://www.paypal.com/us/brc/article/customer-disputes-claims-chargebacks-bank-reversals

Keep in mind that your credit card provider did not deal with the seller, they got a funds transaction from PAYPAL which they serviced. PAYPAL is essentially the middleman. A second transaction was between the SELLER and PAYPAL. So, many credit card issuers will require you to resolve this with PAYPAL, since it is a seller issue, which PAYPAL transacted with

But there’s an entertaining story there!

I think he’s back and he’s selling again!
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-eager-beaver-2#post-5919837

Uh oh, busted?

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Illicit Eager Beaver sale? Hard to believe o-din's not involved somehow ...

The guy’s got balls!