well then you are a much better player than I... my games on ST:TNG rarely exceed two minutes

hence my irrational hatred for it

First STTNG i've ever played had the side lane crutch. Reached final frontier the first game I played it. So I don't really appreciate it since it didn't take any work to see it all. Kind of ruined the experience for me.

Hence why I don't care for Monster bash. 3rd time i've ever played one, I reached Monster bash 2 times in the same game and monsters of rock. without any crutches. Being too easy, really ruined the game for me. I would never want to own one because of that. A game to easy will not keep you coming back. Has nothing more to offer you. If you see everything the game has to offer in the first 15 min, you don't have the conflict and struggle to have a rewarding experience.

that's interesting since I have the exact opposite feelings, I hate TNG since it's just frustrating... meanwhile my friend has a MB and I love it... sure you can activate MB/MR several times per game but the real points are trying to stack everything up at once and start the multiball... plus it's just a fun/silly game...

that's the great thing about this hobby though, different pins for different folks

see, I feel the frustration ='s reward when you finally defeat that uphill battle. Kind of like defeating a video game you have spent 100 + hours trying to finish.

Plus those frustrating games have made me a better pinball player. Forces me to trap and control the ball. Games like that, you can't flail away and finish. In the long run, it teaches you control and patience.

i went to buy an eight ball deluxe once and the guy had ruberbands on the out lanes this seems very similar.

To me these "training wheels" (which I own the original style Breadfan made), are absolutely a cheat and any high score put up with them shouldn't be bragged about. That being said, my girlfriend complained about the outlanes, we're only just getting into pinball, so when I saw what Breadfan did I wanted in.

To me it's like setting COD to easy, to learn the game, strategies etc. Once you have it down, pull em and play like the game was intended. I also tend to have a lot of TWD fans in the house and none of them had even seen a pin in a home before and I think something like this makes it more fun for an unskilled player to get to enjoy the game a bit longer.

Obviously nobody with even a moderate playing ability would want or need them, but since Breadfan seems to be moving them, there must be a lot of people who aren't great or have a house full of people who aren't pinheads.

any drain in the outlane is normal

i guess deltA 9 uses rubber bands on his games.

not really sure why these are needed. if you get BIT then you get BIT move on to the next ball/game play it as it was intended to be played.

Well put. Not everybody who plays twdle is a pro nor do they want to be. My wife and her 10 yr old son walk away from twdle all the time due to this, and go to met pro. I bought a set and can't wait for them to come as it will make for some family fun pin nights. I think those on here knocking it should realize there's other reasons ppl want these.

Would be curious to see an image of this if you can dig it up.

so you really just want to to play like every other stern?

Omg. Who cares if you don't like them. Get out of the thread and go play your Twd. Why on earth does it matter to anyone if some people want to make their game easier. It's like some of you take it personally that breadfan has made this mod. Sheesh!

Speaking of which..when can we expect these?

I think u smoke and drink to much freddy Your mind is Cloudy The only rubber bands i use is on my bricks Lol

Not every Stern has a post at the top of the outlane.

Example please, because I'm curious

Left side of TSPP doesn't.

Screw people that can't handle someone altering their own table to help them enjoy it though.

TSPP as mentioned on the left outlane.

RBION doesn't have posts on either outlane.

There is probably more.

For the record I never said anything derogatory about people altering their games.

But to claim no other Sterns are like this and "now it plays the way it should" is just wrong.

It plays the way the designer intended it to play, a tough, brutal drain monster.

I've got 'em and it still kicks my butt, but at least I'm no longer considering throwing it out a second floor window. I get at least one cheap SDTM drain every game anyway. My friends and I are all hacks at pinball, we don't play competitively, just to have fun. TWD wasn't fun without these, plus I always reload the s/w on my newest pin and restart high scores when I have parties, so it's no big deal. IM and Tron kick my ass enough as it is....

If you didn't like it why the Hell did you buy it? Try games before you buy then or expect disappointment

Most bought sight unseen.(well I did coz of theme) Why are you beating this to death? I mean you want to come through and show me how you avoid the outlane drains, sdtm prison? I know I suck and my wife and her son think i'm good so you can imagine where they stand.....Maybe I could learn some tricks from you? I'm not being funny about this i'm serious.

And this is exactly why stern can keep selling unfinished games and then ignore updating them. It's this exact behavior that lets it happen.

Beating it to death? I said outlane drains are normal in pinball. The op said "every other game has them" I just asked if he wanted every game to play the same. Not even close to harping.

I agree on this. My bad on beating to death commet.

so they had them and decided they didn't want them.

even with this great mod, some will still lose balls...

now, to Neo (which i agree with), you have to consider we all have diff skills (and aim while playing pinball, you want to reach Valinor, i want to reach MET wizard mode, and my wife wanna keep a ball more than 3 seconds ! kidding, she's better than that... 5 seconds lol), and i can understand that some people are really frustrated just because they simply cant "do it"

pinballs are not only for good players, evbd should play them and have fun with them, thats the spirit of the game

to add posts that were deemed unneeded by the game designer and in the testing. Just rubber band the outlanes and be done with it.

I'm never going to see valinor. I've come to terms with it already. But I don't need to, to be happy with the game. The overall keeps me coming back. If I cheated my way to make it to easy, i'd be missing out on the experience. You don't have to make a game easier to enjoy it. My bally Atlantis is a ball buster. If i have a 45 second ball time, I feel I accomplished something. Doesn't take away from the fun of it. Put these on some games, and the ball won't even be able to drain because there isn't enough room for it to fit between this and the rubber that's by the upper right of it.

like i said just rubber band the outlanes, or buy these but angle them way outside blocking off the outlanes and pulling everything into the inlanes. Why are people complaining, because they are not playing well and feel entitled to have good scores every time, which they are not getting. Play a game like fireball you can play all 5 balls and not get a single flip in, but when you do have that good game it feels oh so good. You're not supposed to do great every game.

To each their own man. We all have our own preferences. Would I ever put these on one of my pins? No way. Do I care that others seem to like it and someone is making the parts that they want? No way. Have fun the way you want it's pinball. However, if you put your high score in on here it would be good to note you used these to get there.

I agree go ahead and use them, but realize you're using a crutch and changing the game. and don't expect people down the line to pay more for your game when you sell it since you have to recover your "mod/neutering" costs.

I would probably set my game to 5 balls before I would put these in my machine, but to each his own. I am a purist, 3 balls no mods to make the game easier; but I would never criticize someone who does. It's your game, do what you need to enjoy it.

What ever a guy wants to do to their own game to make the pinball experience more enjoyable for them.....more power to them....go ahead. Why would anyone care?

Some think LEDs are stupid, some think mods are stupid.....well I think the constant whining about what others choose to do is stupid

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I never got my second set!

still available?

I know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd chime in anyway.

I had a TWD pro that played great. I loved it and decided to upgrade to a premium this week for the walker bombs alone. Got the premium home and the outlanes were intolerable. Moving the post down a notch to make them easier did nothing. The pro I left the outlanes stock in the open position. The premium I just bought with outlanes closed were just way brutal. I ran an audit on the premium to see if it was just in my head. The drains were 84 left outlane, 87 center, 22 right outlane. Compared to my pro with more plays (was still here when I tested) 283 left outlane, 724 center, 198 right outlane. The premium simply plays differently. I applied a similar fix to this for the left outlane only (I actually added a rubber post like this, but then removed the existing post on the left side) and while the outlane opening is actually larger, it definitely evened out the left draining on this. Now I'm not arguing that the premiums and pros all play differently. I'm simply pointing out that some games play more brutally than others - and its not pitch or leveling.

I also had several STTNG that I've had come through here for shopping. My personal STTNG always has had the most brutal outlanes so I installed the extended outlanes. However, several that have come through here with the stock outlanes were far less brutal than my STTNG was with the extended outlanes. Some games just play differently than others.

In the end, we buy these games to have fun. It's doubtful that a game designer thought it would be fun for everyone to be super frustrated while playing his game. People should do whatever they can to their games to maximize the fun it brings them.

I put these outlane extenders on my pro and I love it now. It was frustrating as hell before!!!