Shazaam! This is happening a lot. Good luck with the sale

Fire sale on these.

Yes, and I cannot wait to see the same thing happen to AC/DC LE's (flame suit on)...

Good luck with your sale, Jim.

Scott's old game up for sale again

I wish i like AC/DC but I just cant get into that pin so I wont have this prob. I think it is a great pin if your a fan of them. If they re themed it to Metallica I would get one.

Wow. That's a deal and good price -- at least for now. I'm guessing we haven't seen the price floor yet on TF's (and in particular LE's). More due to perception than reality of value, but... it is perceived value that drives market price.

Good luck with your sale. I understand the motivation to sell at a discount/loss based on the games you want to have in its place.

I would have just traded you my Tom and some $$. I have no room now. Lmk when the Tom arrives.

hehe, I know the feeling. Fortunately (or not) the supply of pins has dried up here and work keeps me too busy to really hunt for them anyway. Good luck with the sale. Excellent price. I don't think the bottom will by much farther on TFLE's, especially once the NIBs are sold because it really is a pretty good pin.

He's selling the game because he is in a jam. People will now think that is what the game is worth because someone had to move it out at that price. That isn't the case.

I don't think selling it to buy another pin constitutes being "in a jam". Now if he had to sell it to make his mortgage payment it'd be another story.

Losing a deal on a pin because you need to make more room and have to move one out is "being in a jam". No one pays their mortgage these days anyway. Didn't you see this thread over at RGP? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_thread/thread/8f95a8095740fd08#

Everyone has different jams that's for sure.

That is two in less than a week.

Doesn't mean squat.
Last person I know to sell a HUO Spider Man Black let it go for $6K. Does that mean they are all worth that?

Lets see how fast it sells first, that will give some indicator here as well. If its still for sale at this price tomorrow, then $4900 may not be the bottom on these yet, since its not sending people scurrying after it.

A glimpse into the future of the tulip pinball mania craze.........

No worries.

I'll give you $4400.00 for yours.

Pfft... Not going to happen. Maybe $5700 would be my bottom dollar with the add-ons.

This is a steal..

I think the point is that if these people are willing to sell their TF LE's at a loss in order to buy other pins, what does it say about TF LE?

I'm just playing devils advocate. I have no opinion myself one way or the other since I've never even played one, I'm just saying that this is how it can be interpreted.

I think there will be a continued downward press on the price of TF. It is sandwiched between games that were much better received (Tron and AC/DC) and Stern has (what we all believe) to be a major comic pin coming out and Stern is, presumably, continuing to improve the quality of their product.

All of that said, $4,900 with the topper is an awesome price for an LE machine (and the Decepticon machine is by far the best looking of all the TF's in my opinion). I'd buy it at that price (even though I've never been able to play the game) if it were in Houston or New Orleans.

Someone near him should snap this offer up pretty quick as it won't be there long.

Someone is going to be very happy. I played it and liked it. And I have one on order. I think there is one more update due as well. When they all sell out and people stop worrying about what was promised they will once again get appreciated.

Great deal! Good luck with sale. I was trying to convince my friend who is selling his Black Spiderman to take your machine, but he want's a NIB! Bah!

I think that is true to a large extent . . . most of the issues with this game seem to be that the promises were not met so those that pre-ordered were not happy.

I wish this game was on rout somewhere near me as I'd like to play it . . . it is priced much better than Tron LE and AC/DC LE . . .

I would buy this had I not already made a deal this week. Someone is going to luck out! Excellent price for an excellent pin!

If you get it to Michigan, I'll take it.

I've got games you can play while here, too: http://i.imgur.com/cyCng.jpg

Unfortunately, I have visitors that I need to be home for tonight and tomorrow. Otherwise, I'd drive to Illinois.

Pete

I was lucky enough to get to play a brand new one over christmas break at Breckenridge and it was sandwiched in between an SM and a LOTR LE....

It's a beauty of a machine just doesn't flow well imho....I played a ton of SM there and came back home in search of a nice one!

It you don't like the game it doesn't really matter what it costs...if you do like it then maybe it's a steal or maybe it's like catching a falling knife....

I still think combos are worth more, the superior edition . At 4900 though I would buy this today if I didnt already have a TFLE. Great game and first stern that I might actually keep.

I think the combos NIB are selling for about 1k less than the Dec or Auto versions. One of the retailors on this site said something along those lines last week in a thread. I guess the feeling is the combo looks "crowded"? Or perhaps it is just that there were more of the combos made. Who knows.

now people are getting upset because someone is selling too cheap? you just can't please everybody, i guess.

Come on Dave. You're collection is begging for a Stern

Haha! Just shows the self serving nature of the price police. If they don't own something they want it to be cheap cheap cheap (so maybe they can snag it later) . . . if they do own it they want it to be expensive expensive expensive (to either justify what they paid for it in their own mind or to increase the value of an investment).

People will always vote their self interest . . . be those political, business, or pinball. LOL

Of course you realize that is nothing new!?

Jim is an great guy, doesn't need the money. Outstanding price.

This pin is awsome at this price wish you were in california it would be gone. Game plays fast and I thought it had a nice flow. I think stern gets a bad rap. Easy to work on. As with most the only knock I see is all the different version at a huge mark up. Good luck on your sale.

Production numbers were pretty clear when they were released (and all of them say x of xxx)

500 combos
125 of each Dec/Aut versions

I saw the writing on the wall after one month with my TF-LE and was very happy I got a good price for mine when I did.

TF le is fantastic, people keep selling these and I have no clue why. Mine aint leaving anytime soon

When the dust settles i believe the prices will climb back. But in the mean while i bought mine to play and have no intentions on selling it. I think a lot of guys bought on speculation and when the Tf didn't take off in price many starting dumping.

If I didnt have one id be all over this. Should have no trouble selling at his 15-17% discount.

I have been quite critical on TFLE software in the past; but after playing tron I guess I should be happy where TF stands. Dont get me wrong, tron was very fun but its software seemed to lack more than TFs, and whats up with the empty pf of inserts. Is it me or does tron feel like their should be more inserts to help drive the game?

I also think a lot of the gameplay depends on what a player wants in a game. Tron ACDC and TFLE are all so different and all very cool games. Tron and ACDC have smoother ramps but TFLE blows ACDCs outer loops shots out of the water, and OPs inner orbit shot just barely nudges past quorras inner loop shot. Quarroa has the upper left flipper shot Assisting its fun factor but id much rather hit OPs inner orbit followed by a outter orbit - SS ramp - or inner loop combination. TFLE also has tremendous flow, every shot in the game ends up back at the flippers; and don't get me started on its modes, everyone thinks they're all the same but in reality there are times where your making combo after combo then the next thing you know you gotta trap the ball, gain control, and make technical shots. And other modes are a combination of combos + technical.

Oh and the sounds and music transitions in TF are amazing and very dramtic, really gets the adrenalin flowing. TFLE may just be the next SM, under appreciated at first then when the dust settles, itll land itself in its rightful place.

Good luck on the sale, someone's gonna score.

That's what people say, but I could never get into Tron. I've tried on more than one occasion, I've tried the LE, I've tried the Pro. Maybe it's the theme or music or ramp lighting that is the real attraction?

He gets a lot of free bumps from it at least and it's constantly at the top of the list

TFLE may just be the next SM

Eddie Please!!!

For OP I hope it sells for you quickly. I'm local, itching for a new pin, today is Bday and thinking how should I treat myself. But I stop myself. I was almost in on a NIB TFLE but backed away after playing it some. Interesting pin but left me disappointed with a theme I love. I grew up on TF so I so wanted it just for the hell of it. But, Xmen or Avengers and WOZ leave me with "just a little patience".

If you fire sale it some more send me a PM (I don't think you should mind you). Good luck on the sale.

BTW...is there something in the water in IL. Coaster, Tatman, now you..... wow games are a flipping. I want in but don't want to sell anything but my TZ. Fun to watch though.

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Why are people surprised that a game is selling for less than what it sold for new? Am I the only one that thinks this is the norm, and that Tron LE was the exception?

Look at Avatar LE, TRS LE, and just about ever other stern besides Tron LE over the past several years. The difference is that you have to compare old games to todays pinflation prices, so while older titles may have gone up, the inflated NIB games are going to do down once opened. If you're buying a NIB AC/DC and expecting to cash in, you are more than likely in for a surprise when you go to sell it IMO. It's not an investment, so I don't care and will continue to buy whichever games I like and not worry about it.

I think this pin is priced where it should be priced for an opened HUO pin. AC/DC premiums will be priced like this in a year, mark my words...

Whoever buys this don't even play it with the shit speakers. Replace that sub ASAP. I can't believe stern is still using that shitty speaker in the cab with what sounds like no crossover and is full range.

I sure wish I knew someone who had a TF LE so I could play it and see for myself.