Sales of Hobbit probably over stated based on few bites here IMO. At least you can get a refund

I wish I had more interest in the theme or I would get one to go with my WOZ, knowing myself I'll prob end up getting one after production starts

If I didn't have to pony up that much cash at once I would do it.. Would love The Hobbit next to my LOTR.

I could be wrong, but I think that someone is going to get a good deal. GLWS

You couldn’t sell it at 7500.00 so raise the price to 8000.00 .. interesting sales strategy....

Hard to get 8000 for a unfinished product especially with no payment plan. You are stubborn to make a buck we understand but a few more 100 off may actually get you a sale. My money is on you getting a refund, I am waiting with bated breath to see how this shakes out for you.

Best of luck I hope honestly you get what your seeking, but its a uphill battle. I feel your points and seems fair to me, hope you find a buyer.

Agreed. Someone needs to jump on this. GLWTS

I don't see the problem with this. If I was looking for a hobbit, I would of jumped on this. Again GLWS

It's been 3 weeks and you haven't sold it yet, that should tell you something..........

You paid JJP the full $7500.00 for the Hobbit already?

I'm thankful for the hobit preorder $ going to jjp. It ensures I'll eventually see my woz one day.

Soft market or not as desirable as touted to be.
Personally if it was my purchase I would be satisfied getting a refund and moving on.

Free bump~

Curious as to how this works with JJP? I know quite a few WOZ preorders changed hands. Do they transfer the invoice to the new buyer's name and would that person be eligible for the full warranty and have the ability to get a refund of the original $7500 if for some reason they needed a quick way out?

That is how I bought my WOZ, it was transferred to me with full warrenty and If I had chose to I could of gotten a refund but that would of been crazy. At this point on the hobbit a refund would work for the seller since its the exact amount he has in it but I also think if someone wants one this is a great deal and surprised noones jumped on it.

We can only summise that no one wants one then

I contacted CraZ4Pin as my daughters are urging me to get a Hobbit (they loved the first movie). However, two issues. First, I still don't have my WOZLE in hand back from early 2011 order. My wife and I will not put more money down until first game is delivered. Talking with JJP offline won't rehash here.

Second, no way I'm waiting like I am with WOZLE after paying in full and still no game after production has been ongoing. I know I can wait and order a regular edition after it comes out and it's really being built, but being first is exciting - and crazy. CraZ4Pin may have my solution if his is the first dozen made. If I get my WOZLE before Xmas maybe I do this - I'm thinking I'm nuts but thinking. Contacted JJP to confirm all info on this sale and conflicting response - not perpetuated by CraZ4Pin at all for the record. He's been straight up. JJP will not commit first dozen - just somewhere in first 100 built. I'm concerned JJP is waffling already on delivery of a customer who paid up front. Waiting for CraZ4Pin to get back to me to confirm info I sent him. Again, no misleading by CraZ4Pin - which is why I think he is frustrated and getting out. Just heads up. Whether I buy or not, sharing info may not be first dozen but first 100.

What lessons did we learn about. JJP?

1) There's really no such thing as an LE IMO.
2) People who didn't invest cash for two years received machines before people who did.
3) There were lots of problems with the first machines. There could be more, who knows. Better to wait.
4) Delivery dates tend to change frequently.

What's the smart move? Wait until it's done, play it and then buy it if you like it. No need to tie up a dime.

Except those that got WOZLE at $6500 and those in on THLE at $7500 may end up being ahead money-wise for a few years. I doubt we are going to see many WOZ games sell used at that price level for quite some time.

The only item you list that I think is a real issue is #2. I think the biggest problems with THLE re sales at this point is that we really don't have much info on game play or even how the theme will be used. It's pretty much buying blind at this point.

My offer still stands.

I agree.

question. why are plain woz being made if all the wozle's haven't been delivered? why is there a new LE woz when all the original LE's haven't been delivered. I'm tempted on this one but I'd like to think I take delivery in a year and not 2.5 years.

I'm sure Hobbit will be a quality game. Built well, thought out, etc.

But it's still $8000 for something you haven't even seen a single photo of. It's nuts when people buy Stern LEs without even a gameplay video, but at least you can *see* the game first.

Not true at all.

No idea why people keep repeating this erroneous statement.

Regular Woz's were not even mentioned/offered until like 8 month's after the LE was announced...

YOU are incorrect Rob. Standards were available well in advance of the LE's being sold out. I had the option to buy either standard or LE direct from JJP in March 2012.

At which time the LE's weren't sold out so the option to buy standards was there and people did. Some people prefer the silver.

According to Jack, some of the early orders, ops and distributors, asked to be switched to the regulars on some of their allotment when they were announced. Thus, they didn't lose their place in line. Again, according to Jack, simple as that. Who really knows.

You mention the option was there 8 months out....But why would distributor's decide to not get LE's, when LE's were 6500.00 at the time..?? The only reason they would option for a standard, is if , the standard was way cheaper than 6500.00, which was never offered to us? just curious...or maybe i'm missing something.

No I correct. When the standards were announced the price went up on the LE. The standards were cheaper. And most of the standards originally were purchased by distribs. In large batches.

Seems like a fair deal to me, a little something in it for the OP and something for the new purchaser, win win GLWS

The standards were announced long after many of us LE buyers had purchased. There is no excuse for the standard models being built before everyone's prepaid LE orders were built. I ordered May 10, 2011 and still do not have my game.

I read the post regarding Jack feeling it important to get some standards out in the wild to ops. Although I agree with his philosophy it was shitty to do that to his prepaid LE customers who were/are so eagerly anticipating their game.

Jack is a good businessman. Its hard to believe that he did not anticipate how much this would piss off buyers and affect how everyone would shy away from throwing their money to Hobbit in advance after hearing so many of us bitching about how we have been treated.

8 months later dufus.

Dufus? What is this kindergarten.

I'll reiterate again doodoo head.

LE's were NOT sold out when standards were announced publicly a large number of standards were sold before LE's sold out and most went to distribs. A lot of whom want their standards prior to LE's. Because they either plan to operate and/or horde LE's.

Can I be the 3rd stooge?

How big of a hurry you in to sale. Since the game will not ship for awhile, I presume

StevenP wanted me to tell you that it is "hoard" not "horde".

When was it announced the LE was sold out, and there was a waiting list?

Ok pee pee pants

bump

No you are incorrect. I ordered my LE direct from JJP on March 13th 2012 and there will still many LE's available. And standards as well.