No, I'm Chugs and so is my wife.

I was just trying to warn him that he was becoming a running joke within the circles of people I've talked to, and if he kept it up, was going to run out of people to deal with. That's all.

He can charge whatever he wants, and offer whatever he wants. It doesn't mean people have to like him, or deal with him when he does it.

The ban wasn't due to us not liking his low-ball/overcharging tactics, but rather his abuse of the rules.
Some of the people who enjoyed the fact that he was banned probably enjoyed it due to his pricing tactics, however.

I also must say that many people I have delt with in this hobby see it as a hobby, and are not motivated by a profit motive. I think the 'biz' guys are a much smaller portion of the pin buying/selling population.

Chugs/Hugsc, you're on your own on this one.

Perhaps an apology for your identity crisis on here would be fitting? And a promise not to annoy the crap outta people as well?

This isn't about flipping/gouging. It's about honesty and integrity. Overall conduct figures in, albeit to a lesser degree.

One of the arcade forums I'm on tolerated a bit too much from a dishonest person, and this happened:
http://www.retrocollect.com/News/30000-neo-geo-aes-aero-fighters-3-potentially-fake.html
(that's an early article, but the game was ultimately proven fake.)

I believe 100% that Cory should be able to charge whatever he wants for his pins...even if I find the price ridiculous...more power to him if he can get it, too.

I don't believe in price policing...I think dead silence and crickets are a better way to make things go away with fewer hard feelings and unnecessary arguments.

I'm not okay with being dishonest or unethical.

The constant bumps and overly aggressive tactics annoying....and do hope that at some point Cory figures it all out, without thinking that everyone is out to get him.

Pete

That's not how you felt when you PM'd me several times after I told you I had no interested, badgering me to buy your Big Game. We've been over this publicly before; I'll do it again if you want.

I've never e-mailed you.

Yes. Not that it's in any way relevant to your shady tactics or your sale, but I do. It happens to pay well enough for my liking, and is pretty flexible. No need to try make things personal, just clean up your act.

Again, what kind of sob story did you tell Robin to get out of being banned?

a better question may be at what point do YOU let it go. a reputation is tarnished (possibly for good) so in all honesty this thread should be either closed or left to wither and die. unless you honestly expect someone to post the "sob story" then it should be over.

Choggard - I don't think anyone here personally wishes you ill, least of all me. But your for-sale threads are increasingly about you and decreasingly about the machines. I think this is clear and not in doubt. Unless something changes significantly, this trend will probably continue. I hope this is also clear.

can you deliver to Dayhuff's party?

I wasn't upset that you wanted $1500 for the game, and I wasn't upset that you sold it for however much you actually sold it for. I was annoyed that you PM'd me no less than 3 times (I think the actual number was more like 5-7) demanding that I make you an offer.

You would do well to put me on ignore. People are right about that.

I wish no ill on you, but I (and many others, as you can see) don't approve of your dishonest selling tactics. I strongly suggest you reconsider how you conduct yourself here.

Someone named "Hugsc" perhaps?

LOL

Im Spartacus!

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Choggs, the question remains, how did you explain to Robin the other account????????

I really have no horse in this race. All I know is that the people I do know in this hobby don't appreciate how Choggs conducts his business......and I say business not hobby.

On reputation alone I would not deal with him. Something to think about if you don't think reputation is important in a rather close knit community.

I also know many people in this "hobby" who are not out to make a profit on the games they sell/trade. Many are happy to just break even and enjoy a new game. My personal preference is make as even as possible trades so I get to experience new (to me) games without having to deal with a lot of cash transactions.....sometimes that works out perfectly. I'm in this to own and experience a variety of pinball machines and to meet people with similar interests. I'm not in this to make a dime.

WHOA!
I live 20-40 minutes away from you Michigan guys and I have no idea what to say?! I'm glad I'm Canadian??
Seriously, like Astropin, I have no horse in the race either. I am just sorry there is so much animosity that clutters up the pages of pinside! Bumping aside (which I really don't care about - I just stay away from the thread), I don't see any fault with asking prices; check out 90% of people's for sale ads - I promise they are asking more than they paid for the machine when they bought it. To me, that's flipping, any way you cut it - but if you get what you are seeking - more power to you!
Again, like Astropin, this is simply a hobby for me and a way to pass the time. I too am not in this to make a dime. I bought my Fire! to donate to a local Firehall...I sold my Congo for 600$ less than I paid for it so that I could get someone else into the hobby. I was told a long time ago what pinball was all about - and I promise, money never entered the conversation. I was fortunate to be included in a great group of guys and girls that are forced to trade amongst ourselves to avoid all of this unnecessary drama.
I wish you ALL the best and hope this hobby stays a hobby and that you never forget why you got into it in the first place.

That's part of the problem....too many people are treating this hobby as an investment opportunity (never a good idea) or a side business.....flip, flip, flip. One is just dumb and the other just sounds like a PITA to me.....flipping 250lb toys? There has to be something easier to flip out there.

I disagree a little there. Selling for true market value is not flipping. If I sell a pin I've had for years for what I paid, then I'm not going to be able to purchase a pin I want that has always been priced similarly without it costing some serious additional cash. Like it or not the market has dictated that pins have appreciated over the last 10 years (mostly).

If you paid $1000 for your nice World Cup 94 your not going to sell it today for $1000.....then you're just going backwards in the hobby.

You're right.....a pin held for an extended period of time has been shown to appreciate. I believe THAT is not flipping; I agree with you 100%. Other than that, to me, making a "quick" buck is flipping. Buying a game cheap, putting nothing in and then selling at inflated prices - takes advantage of the uneducated people. Let's hope this practice ends or I fear for the future of this hobby.

Well just don't buy from the OP and you're off to a good start.

My head is spinning

Just when you think you've seen it all from the Choggs, he takes it one step further.

I just feel sorry for anyone who finds his ads and jumps on them before they get a chance to read up on all his fantastic drama.

So why exactly is Choggard still a member here and apparently cause more antics?

slow week

I guess he is an ASSet to the community. Mods would probably need proof on really bad dealings or broken rules. We really don't know if the 2nd account rule was broken but it sure does look like it. I haven't read the rules on bad sales, scams, or cons but most other collector groups have instant bans on stuff like that. I never read rules because I'm an angel.

This is a TRUE story. One of my clerks left me this note on my desk Mon. AM (she worked Sun PM)

"Wanted to let you know this guy came in and bought $7.00 in lottery tickets and he gave me two fives. I gave him $3.00 back. He said his change wasn't right. He said he gave me a five and a TWO dollar bill so he should not be getting ANY change back, so I double checked my drawer and there was no two dollar bill in there. I refused to take his $3.00 so he left mad and he went up to the police dept. and filed a report. They showed up and asked if everything was OK. They said that was the stupidist call they had ever taken."

Don't know what this has to do with this thread, but I couldn't even SCRATCH my head on that one! (or on this thread, for that matter.)

lol

Must have been a reverse-gypsy?!

^ I love that episode