Interesting

My MFG date is 2 days before yours, but my serial is a little higher

Yours is 065902
Mine is 066252

ij_serial.jpg

Your S/N label also has its amperage and hertz values swapped. It should be 8 amps and 60 hz

What is the difference between production and sample ij ???

Interesting that the model numbers are also different. My sample says 51417 and was dated 6/19/1993. It too has the "DBV" letters as part of the Model Number language.

Please stop saying it has been Home use since 1999, it means very little. My fgy has been home use for three months and guess what? it is still routed even though it was on route for less time than your ij. Home Use Only means never routed, home use since x date is meaningless since the game gets judged off its condition, not how long it has been since it was on route.

You are free to ask what you like for your machine and you are right the pf looks great, but I am still seeing you ask 7k for a faded ij that needs 300 in decals and a boat load of work to install them. It might be a sample, but an average IJ is still fetching 3800-3900 on ebay. So again, feel free to ask what you like, but I am not seeing that the fact it is a sample make it almost worth double with a faded cabinet.

Sample IJs had a different Super Jackpot insert, at least 1 different lamp board under the playfield, stainless POA rails, lost plastic from the factory with illumination from the factory, speaker panel lamp board from the factory, slightly different artwork on several plastics, no buy in button, different bolts on the side of the cabinet for the playfield slide assembly, and probably a few other minor differences.

There's a 5 digit model number

It seems digit 1, 4 and 5 are in common across all IJs.
digit 2 and 3 are dependant on what country the game went to (Country Code) and potentially what coin door setup the game had.

I've tried to make sense of the 2 digit country code for WMS pins several times and always ended up scratching my head.

I knocked you mainly because of the home use since. I guess its a pet peeve because it doesn't matter. It is merely a gimmick.

As for making an offer I will hold off. I have a rbion, but to be frank if I have no interest in going anywhere near your asking price. You can throw out anything you like, but the problem is if you go to high many folks won't touch it. Some don't like haggling and some aren;t going to want to risk offending you. Good luck with the sale though like I said, that pf is nice.

You should just advertise the left side a a sepia toned feature! It fits with the theme

That playfield is really nice, I am curious if the drop target decals are available?

I disagree, I like to hear "home use since" dates. With machines like IJ from 1993, one could have been on route for 1 year or 18 years, and if someone yanked it off route 2 days ago I'd want to know. Just another piece of info in the infinitely-complicated Pinball buying/selling game, the more you know about a machine the better.

It seems like it comes down to a single word - "only." Otherwise, it does make a difference to me if an IJ, for example, is home use (only?) since 99 vs routed since 93.

This label seems too perfect for a game thats 20 years old.

I agree...it looks like it was recently printed. The bottom corners are rounded and they are normally always a normal 90 corner.

Something looks funny, maybe we are just crazy!

Finally another Indy as pretty as mine =-) ........ well except for the left side =-(
I agree with the sticker comment though might or might not be a sample but the sticker is super new and doesnt look like normal williams stickers.

Tlamb...it is a beautiful game and we are just being jerks. Had a feeling I shouldn't have put in my two cents. Personally I wouldn't care if the sticker was new but understand your anger. I would be mad if someone questioned me.....I'm going to step out of this

Great game, good luck with the sale.

Looks like a nice one, good luck!

Seems like a pretty fair price considering the condition and upgrades. I know that is a popular and quite sought after game so good luck with your sale...I am trying to figure out how to lift the one from Frontierland myself....

I'd be suspicious too...

The printing errors and the newness of the sticker's appearance. Not to mention you're a new member to the site, with no history here.

Any buyer, I'd warn to pay only for what they see on the table.

His has no buy in button, that would make it early production unless he went through the trouble of redecaling the front. If you look at the pics he has lock down bar holes, and wear on the front decal.

The metal rails on the mini pf and a plastic could have been purchased or pulled off another game, but they are not common. The only other thing that I have read is that the speaker panel was a little different with three extra lights behind it. I cannot find anything corroborating that though and no pictures to back that up.

Unless this guy is trying to pull off a really elaborate hoax I would leave him be. If he went through the trouble of decaling the cab he might as well have done the whole thing and left it pristine.

Exactly why I said "pay for what they see on the table".

When the validity of the "sample" status was brought into question, the price dropped from 7K to 5.5K.

Way to welcome people to the site guys. I wouldn't take any of it personally, Todd. This thread reeks of "I want this game but I'm going to publicly question everything and nitpick ad nauseum until the price is dropped out of frustration."

So, let me get this straight...

I'm an asshole because you are stupid (your words, not mine)?

I made the suggestion that people not place any extra value in an item that is claimed to be a sample machine. Especially when there's odd issues with the serial number? I then say to pay for what they see?

...yea total asshole. I see how you got there.

Go try Ebay, and don't forget to accost some young girl to dress in something skimpy to help sell it.

P.S.

...nice work on editing your post to remove the profane name calling.

I would recommend you step back and take a deep breath. You are posting on sites dedicated to collectors. Collectors are passionate about their hobby. Some are very vocal about their passion. I already knocked you for your terms and price, but at the same time I believe it is a sample/early production unless someone went to a lot of trouble to fake it. Given the condition of the front decal I don't see why they would have.

At this point though all the samples are pretty much known it is just a matter of knowing where to dig up the info. It is also about how much time you want to spend.

the trouble with IJ is that the samples don't really do anything the production doesn't. With DW you get a moving topper, tz you get a third magnet with a great multiball start, WWF gets you 3 magnets under the pf like taf. Alot of proto's/samples have different art, or something that really sets them apart.

In my case while I have kicked around the idea of getting an IJ (or sttng) and do have a rbion I could trade, I cannot fathom trading my rbion + 3000k or more for a sample with fade. Especially not when IJ's can be had 3500-4k with fade. In this instance you are expecting a 1500-2k premium for lack of a start button, some small metal rails, and a plastic. This is after you have already dropped the price by 1500.

While you are throwing in decals that are worth up to 300 depending on who made them they are a boat load of work to install correctly. It isn't a simple matter of cleaning the sides off and applying a sticker. The cab needs to be stripped of everything, bondo applied, sanded, repeated, decals applied straight, cut the corners without mistakes, holes cut in for bolts without mistakes, and then the entire thing needs to be re assembled. One false move and you need to replace a decal you may not be able to buy outside of the set.

Regardless of what anyone thinks if it is priced fairly in 1 buyer's opinion it will sell. Usually the higher your price something the longer it will take to find a buyer (that isn't always the case, sometimes you price it cheap and no one near you is looking for it). So like I said, take a deep breath and see what people offer.

I'm just going to go ahead and say that I'm about 99% positive my IJ is the highest quality IJ in the world - that is unless in 1993 someone placed one in an unmarked box somewhere and wheeled it into a massive warehouse full of identical boxes...

...wait for it...

"We have top men working on it right now."

"Who?"

"Top...men."

Yes, I'm proud of it. Yes, I paid a dumpload of cash for it. Yes, Shanetastic is quite possibly the best seller this side of the Nile. His machines are immaculate.

I think people are just sick of seeing Ebay prices on here. People love to tout community community community but then everyone wants to try and get way more than their game is worth.

Here's what I'm thinking. If I'm correct a HEP restore is about $4-$6K. A decent IJ is about about $3.5K. With the prices you were asking, it would have been feasible to send an IJ to HEP and be near the low end of that scale.

I think you're getting crapped on because your price was silly. IMO, it's okay to call out silly prices. There are a lot of newbs here and they need to know when something is silly.

I've never seen your machine, but I'm 100% positive there are still NIB IJ's out there. Just kind of a bold statement, especially with Chris Hutchens and even Honda being a member of these boards.

It has a HEP playfield. He'd be happy to know that.

It's no "built from the bottom up" - but can you even call those machines originals?

(Granted there's nothing wrong with them, I just find them to be outrageously priced)

Todd is a stand up guy and very honest. I just recently did a deal with him for his WH20 and had a great experience. He described the machine correctly and was very helpful. I would recommend him to anyone on this group as a good guy to deal with.

Todd good luck with the sale. I just did what your looking to do. I mixed it up and let a minty TOM go and used the money for a new Tron- no regrets so far- loving it.
See you at PATZ.
Scott

PS Got the speaker panel you sent yesterday-looks great. Thanks for sending it.

I wish I could buy this machine just to stop this thread. It's a fine example of IJ. I would pay $4500 to $5000 for it easy.

These comments seem very petty. I am new member , but thanks to BR my collection exceeds 36 pins and I feel very blessed to have met many other members . I recently paid $5,000 for a great IJ from chad , and this fellow has the right to price his game where ever he chooses. Those who like the pin and can pay the price, should buy and enjoy. Life is to short for this childish behavior.

It's THE BANKER!!! We've all heard of this elusive 'banker' who buys all of B_R's pins and has an amazing collection. Welcome to Pinside!! I'm sure I speak for most when I say I'd love to see pics of your collection.

You're a legend in North Carolina.

ARM congratulations on your IJ from Shane. I would agree that it is perhaps the best. I also have 4 of Shanes pins. All great!