This pin is not "nearly perfect", it is not "home use only", and it sure isn't 'collector quality", but it is a fairly decent looking example. You're not doing yourself any favors by making unsustainable claims. For one thing, it looks like it was given after-market decals which subsequently has faded, indicating that it has seen some long and heavy usage along the way.

Take some better/more revealing pics in good ligthting, be more factual in your description of the game (both good and bad), and adjust your price to a realistic representation of your game's fair market value. I think you would then sell itself fairly quick as it is a beautiful classic Pat Lawler wide-body that many pinheads would love to get their hands on. No offense intended. GLWS.

Bump.

Agree with pins for fun. Op, you are asking fur abuse. It's a nice game but not collector quality. QC doesn't have that bad touch up.

What they said!

The fish touch up job is almost not true to the original either and the mouth is completely changed too. Here is what it is supposed to look like:

fish_normal.jpg

This is what it looks like on the game for sale. Sorry just wanted to point out in case someone didn't know and only to find out after they bought it.

fish_touch_up.jpg

Happy fish, sad fish. YIKES!

Wow thats pretty sad. The guy didnt have have a steady hand. Probably didnt bother to look online to see what the fish was supposed to look like either.

It is collector quality, just depends what type of collector it is

OP: impossible for a game to be classified as CQ when it has:

1. Ball-drop wear.
2. Presence of unaddressed shooter lane wear.
3. An amateur insert repair (irregular blackline painted with a shaky hand).
4. PF Fish repair done with artist guessing what might have been there.

For a game to be CQ, it would either have to be a low-play survivor or restored to factory standards or higher--no obvious wear-issues in either case.

Yikes ... the fish's lower jaw was surgically removed!

This is a KILLER when it comes to Roadshow. Sorry OP, you're looking at a sub $2k Roadshow at best.

His last 4 FS threads all read the same as this one

I don't know, this could still be a 2k-2.5k Roadshow...nowhere close to a 3.75k Road Show, however...

To each his own. I think there's plenty of ~2-2.5k Roadshows out there without the dreaded fish wear. I could be wrong ... mine is a HUO RS, and I wouldn't expect close to $4k for mine, and in the NY Metro pin market.

I think the same artist that did the fish did this...

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I found some of his earlier work also...

Brontosaurus_(PSF).jpg

Tell me about it.. I think I did a good job on mine and I barely got 1800 for it.

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Funny though, looking at it, the surgically altered fish looks more like a fish than the one in Road Show.

I don't know...to me "collector's quality" isn't really up to interpretation. When I think collector's quality, I think pretty much near perfection. I don't own collector's quality pins, but I know what one is...

Sure...GLWS! Road Show is a great pin...1st one I ever owned

Sounds like the new "collector quality" standard is new in box. Even my NIB STID has a few minor imperfections like an almost invisible scratch on the translite. (Need magnifying glass to see it.)

I think you are right. I have had some people look at some of my games hoping to find a CQ.
Out came lights, head magnifying visors, etc.
By those standards that were expected, my NIB, WOZ, or Xmen, would not be CQ.
So What is CQ, the best 1% off a production and never played with?

Not to Hijack..... Road Show is an Incredible game and worth any collection to have....GLWS

Not bad having a FS thread hijacked...lots of bumps

I guess collector quality does mean things to different people. In my opinion, the percentage of collector quality pins out there would be really small. Needless to say, this RS was not collector quality. Maybe it is time the term collector quality just goes away all together

There are certain terms on here that are very likely to get a fs thread in trouble. The moment some people see the terms "collector quality" and "mint" (just to name a couple), or sellers comparing games to other restorers, they are going to go through the pics and find issues. It's been that way for awhile. From my experience, it's best just to avoid it altogether.

Honestly, I go to "FS CQ" type posts because I like close to perfect games and they pique my interest.

I would like to one day add a RS as its a great game and sad I sold mine.

No big deal if its not, and honestly I know some very well respected people on Pinside that wouldnt know a CQ pin if it fell on them... and then you have the opposite, that think CQ goes to the microscopic level.

The only issue here is his one is just weeeeeeeellll beyond many of the descriptive words used in the original ad. That said, its worth what someone will pay for it.

I like to look at them as well. But Im not sure if I've ever seen a CQ post that didn't run into some trouble. I actually think even if a NIB game was described as collector quality, people would start finding problems with the box.

Joe - you can have first dibs if my CQ RS ever goes up for sale. I'd also consider temporary trades if you're into that sort of thing. Though RS is my wife & daughter's favorite pin ... I might be up for a battle if I ever try to sell it. I still catch heat for selling my CQ Hurricane.

Regards,

Brian

Thumbs up for you for taking the high road and not getting pissed. Seriously good luck with your sale.

You may want to consider editing the asking price also as it is WAY out of line for the condition of the machine. I know as I just bought a MUCH nicer example for substantially less.

Here they are, side by side: (the one in the middle with the border is the original art)

dmklunk RS.jpg
RS Original Art.jpg
RS Decal.jpg

Not price policing but.......if you lower the description the price should follow accordingly. A CQ might be 3700, though by your own admission this is not.

Never knew that about the head art. I guess mine is original. My previous one must have had decals as they went to the end....

I sold mine with no fish wear and in very nice condition everywhere else. For $2600.....

Sounds like a good price.

Friend price.

He said he'll take offers so if you have interest throw him an offer. Keep his FS thread on topic.

How long ago?

Speculation is the head came two ways from Williams:

One with decals trimmed about a half inch back from all 4 sides of the head--and another version with artwork all the way to all 4 sides of the head:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/road$20show$20backbox$20decals/rec.games.pinball/-nMn2365xtY/AYcPoUzqpzoJ

(RGP link might be messed up because of the new Google Groups, here's a key post from Phoenix Arcade

"phoenixarcade.com

3/4/06

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i have both sets of films in my possession right now and was discussing
this very thing last week when i was at ipb. here is a pic of the
artists original drawing in negative form. if you look closely you can
see he wrote some notes. but its nothing to explain the 2 versions
though

http://members.aol.com/azarcadegames/roadshow.jpg

when reprints were made williams/bally often used different printing
companies than the original printer usually for timing purposes, not
quality. this is factual based on the records and notes i have read.
wms kept incredible records, youd have to see it to believe it. in some
cases the artist made comments to them about the final product and when
the reprint was done changes were made. in other cases the films were
misplaced/mishandled/lost and they had to output new film and without
specifications some judgement calls were made.

perhaps with roadshow (and this is sheer specualtion), the reprint was
done by another company and no films were available for them on the
backbox. maybe they havent printed backboxes before and made a
judgement call to print within the backbox. i could not find any other
documentation. maybe someone else knows the real answer.

i found 5 revisions for cftbl playfields. i honestly didnt spend any
time looking for the reasons why and which revisions were used."

Mine had decals that went all the way to the edge and there was no way it was re-recalled so it must have been produced both ways. (I always assumed the ones with the border were repros)

The data base for Road Show has the flyer picture showing no border for head decals. Dont know if they did both kinds though.

Here's the Treasure Cove October 2005 Road Show restoration:

http://www.treasure-cove.net/Road%20Show_1.htm

"Closeup of Backbox, ... no scratches or gouges"

"The cabinet needed just a few touchups (meaning original art, not licensed new decals".

..............................................................

These are the officially licensed NAPPA decals screen printed from the original factory films:

http://www.illinoispinball.com/oscommerce/product_info.php?cPath=62&products_id=3313

You've received a lot of publicity in this thread, just curious, have you received any offers yet ?

And, check this out:

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-rs-road-show-and-f-14-york-show