I like turtles.

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WOZ is so unreliable even the warranty fails

I wonder if this was post was made "for the love of pinball"? LLLLLLMFAO!

Man - truly amazing how much misinformation or lack of information or just hate of JJP leads to negative threads turning negative lately.

Really - has everyone forgotten TZ or STTNG? All wide body games with lots of additional moving parts.... that required lots of maintenance.

Seriously give the game a chance and wait and see what happens with the 2.0 code release and we find out what the proposed solution with the led boards is.

Some people have indeed had some problems.......and some people have had ZERO problems. Perhaps stop trying to paint it as a black and white issue - its not. To try and paint it so only demonstrates a lack of understanding.

My tz never needed any more maintenance than any other machine would need. This is Jacks fault he obviously has some sort of grudge and he shot himself in the foot and stirred the pot on this one. These threads are funny but do get tiring.

This for sale thread is only one day old. Too soon for a price drop yet. Staying tuned just in case.

And yet others would indicate TZ is a bear to keep at 100%. Just as some with WOZ are having problems and some are not. I do not believe jack is out to stick it to anyone buying a second hand game vs trying to preserve the business arrangement he has with licensed distributors.

At least he is shipping them, that's the truth!!

I still recon he would be laughing at JJP and the way he has conducted himself in this thread.

How is that?

You are confused. Never had a single pin on a route or location. That is pinaholic.

I like turtles.

Let me guess, you like turtles?

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Here you go turtle man

Gary was in Sydney working customer relations with his customer base

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I was talking about this thread:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/say-what-you-want-about-woz-it-truly-out-earns-any-other-pin-in-the-field

Is this OP not the same Benepinballs from Omaha?

This F6 Shitnado has nothing to do with "giving WoZ a chance" or the relative complexity of wide body pins...???

The thread turned negative when the owner (or part owner, now) of JJP jumped into a FS thread and threadcrapped on a sold WoZ.... All that's come after has been a result of that....

Jesus, who gives a shit anymore.
Do you ever stop talking?

I have a new found respect for Gary. Love this pic. Looks like a good time is being had by all.

Gary rocks

All he wanted to talk about was riding his Harley around NZ one day.

I hope I'm that cool when I am 68 years old.

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As someone who very patiently has over $12,000 "on loan" to JJP while still waiting for my WOZLE and The Hobbit to be produced, I might have to reconsider my purchases and ask for my money back.

Jack, your warranty policy is pure BS. When I buy a car, it doesn't matter where I buy it from. The warranty is transferable to the new owner. Your line about caring and supporting your dealers is also pure BS. Otherwise you would have never taken direct sales from the factory.

I can understand that you might not have the resources to send a tech out to service a pin that was not sold by yourself or by an authorized JJP distributor, but you should at least support the pinball owner with parts replacement during the warranty period.

You can expect a call from me today to discuss my purchases.

Tom -roc-noc-

Do yourself a favor and stay off of the forums, commenting publicly was really not in your best interest. Why say anything, wait till the owner of an unauthorized game contacts you and instruct them they have to pay why make a scene on the forums?

Yes - you are right sorry I was mixed up

I wonder if Alex posts under the JJP pinside account sometimes.

No, too clean, for him.

Who doesn't?

Pinchroma figured out Jacks password...yeah thats it.

i think jack gets off by seeing his posts at the top of pinside. he's so narcissistic.
besides, even bad publicity is good publicity, right?

+1000

From pinball shows to Pinside, Jack always seems to be his own worst enemy.

I've met him twice and, in my opinion, he needs to be the guy "behind the curtain". Hiring a spokesperson would be a good first step.

Was referring to this

Serious meltdown here, where is the damage control?

They've been banned from the forum

Cool pic. Looks like my kind of crowd. Pinball, beer and music

If authorized distributors were selling WOZLEs with a reasaonable markup this wouldn't be a problem. Customers might be able to stomach an extra $500 or so for the warranty. Instead, the authroized distributors are trying to make $3000 a pop off of the LEs and $2000 off the standards. If these guys would offer up their stock at reasonable prices then people would naturally gravitate towards authorized distributors.

I agree with this 100%.

This is the most "RGP" like Pinside thread I have ever read.
I sincerely hope I never read another.

Peace everybody.
Pinball is supposed to be fun, not big business.

Then you're going to the wrong distributor. Try Buddy Herron (Doughslingers), for one. He'll treat you fairly.

So the mark up on a WoZ Le is 37% of the cost? Anything to base that on. What about stern le's

I have a serious question or concern, what if you buy a used pre owned game from a distributor? Does the warranty cover everything because it was bought back and sold again by an authorized retailer?

I have been in a family that operates pins for my entire life, I do not see my distributor on there as an authorized dealer but they have sold NIB JJP machines.... this is a bit puzzling.

2nd owner , no warranty.

Where is that thread with the girls in the bathtub? That's what is needed here, i'm sure they know something about the warranty in question.

I went to JJP's distributor page and checked the links.

FYI, I'm by no means implying Jersey Jack willfully created this situation. I really love WOZ and thinks it's got some of the coolest innovations I've seen in years. I want this company to succeed.

Here's my chain of thought on it. I'm not saying it's 100% solid, I'm just thinking out loud here. . .

I understand that there are capitalization issues at play here and that WOZ probably wouldn't have happened without the pre-order model. But trying to scare buyers into purchasing from authorized dealers (who seem to be milking the fact that there are limited numbers available) by way of limiting the warranty doesn't make sense to me. It would be nice to see Jersey Jack moving toward a more traditional model as the company gets more established. Until that happens, I think Jersey Jack should be taking steps to accomodate purchasers of its product.

If you want to buy a WOZ right now here are your options:
1) Pay $8000/($9000 for the LE) directly to JJP and wait for an indefintate period with no true (bonded) guaranty that you'll get your money back if they go under.
2) Pay $8,500/($9,500 for the LE) to an authorized distributor and get one now, or
3) Pay $7,500 to an original purchaser for a NIB, but get a questionable warranty.

There may be authorized dealers selling these at unadvertized prices lower than $8,500/$9,500 so that may be an option. Otherwise, your average purchaser is pretty much steered toward option 3, but is simultaniously going to be bitter with JJP if a board goes out or he/she experiences some other type of MANUFACTURING defect.

Right or wrong, these people are going to turn around and bad-mouth JJP. I just don't think that's a good blueprint for building a strong dedicated customer base. JJP should be trying to make sure everybody who owns a WOZ is happy so that they will spread the word and generate additional sales.

Instead, it seems like JJP is enabling authorized distributors, who bought LEs for $6,500, to sell them for $9,500. Covering the machine for a year for MANUFACTURING defects regardless of the chain of sale seems to be a small concession to make the ultimate customer happy. Authorized destributors may be peeved because they can't make $3000.00 off a machine, but it seems like JJP should be more worried about the ultimate purchaser/user (even if that person bought on the secondary market). If there are authorized dealers selling LEs at $8,000 then kudos to them. They'd be making $1,500 per game and are pretty competitive with the unauthorized "flippers". Keep in mind a "flipper" in this case may be somebody who genuinely wanted the game years ago but has now changed their mind and is just trying to recoup their loss.

In the meantime, JJP should really be trying to get to a place where you can buy machines outright instead of this customer capitalization model. The whole model is frought with problems.

I was wondering how your phone call went today?

what a thread!

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Not that it matters; I wonder what her face looks like?

I wonder what tea she is brewing?

I'd buy that - warranty or not.

Second owner sez: no warranty...

I agree! Gotta love a post where the overwhelming majority give it a thumbs up and then one assbag (slang for colostomy bag) gives it a thumbs down.

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