Giving it to my brother. thanks, ant
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Still think it's too much for this machine. Feels more like a 10 grand but just my opinion, would like to add one in my lineup down the road. Take it as a bump
Anyone pays this they are CRAZY. I would buy a TRON PRO and mod it out and be in under $6K.
Way too much risk here and I would never reward someone with this type of profit. Hey, sometimes you have to say "I MISSED IT" and move on rather then paying double for a machine in a short period of time. The minute you open the box and set it up you have lost at leaast $2K and probably more (almost half the price of a new TRON PRO !!).
I agree with Darth...$10K-$11K would be the most premium anone should even consider paying ($3-$4K over original price...plenty of profit in a couple of months...hey, he would have earned 1% in a Certificate of Deposit...LOL).
Why not just make it an even $20K and request he drives it to your house and sets it up....at least make him do some work to make this much profit. In fact, anyone crazy enough to pay $13.5 should make the same request....I would want the game delivered, set up and bring me a nice lunch to boot !!! Plus, maybe a little weeding done around the flower beds for that price....
Jake,
I figured you would hit me with a few thumbs up tonight. I am going to make a push for the leaderboard this week !!!
This is my week....I feel it !!! I am going to the top. Hey, if this keeps up I may buy this TRON LE just to get some weeding done....if he throws in washing my cars it just might be worth it.
Maybe pinball lessons as well.....I still stink and want to learn the "death save" move !!!
Quoted from houseofpin:Hey, sometimes you have to say "I MISSED IT" and move on rather then paying double for a machine in a short period of time. The minute you open the box and set it up you have lost at leaast $2K and probably more (almost half the price of a new TRON PRO !!).
Hahaha I agree with you too. Even if you feel sometimes passionate about pinball you have to accept reality and move on. Too many good pins out there.
Guess I might contribute to a few thumbs up tonight
Everyone just always keep this in mind. This is "exactly" what is leading to the problems with the LE's being bought out before they are up for a day. We have the people when they buy bad ones (X-MEN LE and AVENGERS LE) feeling that a $1K loss if more then adequate. I have no problem with that. However, then a $1K gain when you hit a "winner" should be all any of us allow the other way. Until PINSIDERS make the risk/reward the same for winners and losers people will continue to just buy these LE's and keep them NIB.
It would be like me flipping a coin and everytime it is heads (Tron LE, BIBLE) I give you $5 ($5K like they expect to make on this TRON LE) and everytime it is tails (X-MEN and AVENGERS) you only LOSE $1 ($1K). How can you ever lose winning $5 and only risking $1.
Again, this is to help the "true hobbyist" see what is happening with these LE's NIB.
REMEMBER, we HELP SET THE MARKET. If Pinsiders take the stance hey we refuse to pay more then $1K or even $2K on NIB that are relatively new this would help alleviate people buyigng the NIB LE's that don't plan to play them. Again, this is more rampant then people are aware of in my opinion and getting worse.
Finally, it is really funny that now he has added $400 in mods......like I said throw in some gardening, lunch, delivery and set-up and we can start negotiations. I just lie to see people work some for huge profits so make him do a few chores when he comes by to delviery the game if you do buy it for $13,500....trust me he will agree (hey, $6K + in profit why wouldn't he).
LOL......Pen we need to be on best behavior tonight I promised TDA.....
I am really trying to turn over a new leaf....it will not occur overnight so have some patience.
Yeah, guys, let's defy all principles of economic theory. Stand firm and we will collectively control the market. It will be simple! Ready?
Well we don't need to feed the fire either. The more lighter fluid we put on it the hotter it will burn. Feel free to send him $13.5K if you feel the price is fair. In fact, what I would love to see is everyone who posts "which I was closer" the seller should say "hey, I will pay shipping so you are now right next door" and see how many follow through with the sale. Something tells me you wouldn't even think once about paying $13.5K for this game...doubt you are that foolish.
Also, I would love to know what percentage of the LE's that are being played are purchased by pinsiders. My bet is it is fairly high (definitely not 5%) so when you provide probably 20-25 percent of market liquidity you can have a definite impact on prices. My feeling is if every pinsider who bought an X-MEN LE owed up to it you would see how many of the 550 were actually controlled by pinsiders. Something tells me it is over 100 and that is about 20%of the market and by the economic courses I took that can have a huge effect on pricing.
You act like pinball collecting the people on this forum make up a very small percentage of it and I just don't believe that. Again, do you truly believe that only 25 X-MEN LEs or less are in the possesion of pinsiders.....if so, you are right but I doubt it isn't closer to 100.
Quoted from houseofpin:Well we don't need to feed the fire either. The more lighter fluid we put on it the hotter it will burn. Feel free to send him $13.5K if you feel the price is fair. In fact, what I would love to see is everyone who posts "which I was closer" the seller should say "hey, I will pay shipping so you are now right next door" and see how many follow through with the sale. Something tells me you wouldn't even think once about paying $13.5K for this game...doubt you are that foolish.
I own the game. Don't need another. I wouldn't sell my TRON LE, period. If the price is too high, it doesn't sell. There's your flame retardant. No need to concoct an elaborate social participation movement. Problem solved.
Gam....we will just agree to disagree. I do believe that a lot of this could be "slowed down at least" if people just didn't worry so much about "missing out". I truly doubt that a modded Tron Pro (someone told me the lighted ramp mod is coming...I don't know if that is true) for around $6K is not going to provide HALF the enjoyment as a TRON LE. I bought an AC/DC premium rather then a PRO because I felt the value added was worth it (because I hate the face of Angus as well). Certain games the PRO just doesn't have the appeal but Tron isn't one of them so why people have allowed the price to go above $10K is above me....why this guy thinks he should get $13.5 is mind blowing.
I would take and AC/DC premium and modded out TRON PRO and pocket $1.5K over a Tron LE and I believe so would most pinsiders.
Tell me more about these novel concepts about pinball, Captian Stubing. You have a vis-a-vis thought on TRON LE vs TRON Pro? You don't say! And you have a new market theory that should apply to pinball, yet defies the logic of market theory in every other applicable and imagineable instance, just because you don't like the pinball market? Well. I am all ears. Why don't you use some of that retired clubbing and seafaring time and write a book expounding upon these feats of expanded knowledge. I wish I was reading it right now.
Dave....just get lost. Trust me I am as sick of you as you are me. You are a class A <edited>.
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houseofpin you have clearly stated your position here please stop now. You have 11 comments on this thread already please let it go.
I have an LE too, why do people care what others want for the games ? If he asks 30k and gets it who cares more power too him. I agree I think it's high but it's nib and some people go nuts over them. My 2 cents.
I'm Dave and I dont post crap all over folks threads and I certainly don't live in bum Faulk Damascus . Christ one more post about how great life is in white trash land and I will puke.
But our disgust for each other aside how about not crapping all over this forum.
Quoted from DCfoodfreak:Once again a load crap on someone's for sale thread. Buy the freakjng game or shut up and move on.
I'm just going to start posting this response in every Market Forum add that gets heated discussion:
IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY DISCUSSION ON YOUR SALES, POST IT IN THE MARKET AND NOT IN THE "MARKET PLACE FORUM". <(PERIOD)
Why people feel the need to poopoo for sale threads is beyond my comprehension.
I will go on a bit of a ramble....I recently sold an MM. It was in great condition and I had it listed for a reasonable price. A dealer contacted me from Richmond VA (3 hours away) and said he was coming up the next day. Didn't ask for pictures or about condition. He only asked if a 16' box truck could fit in my neighborhood.
While he was on the way to my house, I had someone local to me (Maryland) respond to my ad. I told him that someone was coming up and that if the deal fell through I'd contact him. He then read me the riot act about selling my pin to a dealer. He went on to say that I should hold off and sell it to a collector. He was rambling on and on about how dealers ruin the hobby by flipping pins. He was suggesting that I not sell to this dealer. This is AFTER I told him that this person was on the road driving to my house. What kind of an A-hole would tell someone sorry you drove over 3 hours but I changed my mind? I didn't bother getting into it with him, but my feeling is that dealers help the hobby. Plus it isn't like dealers are getting rich. They have families to feed like the rest of us and this is how they make a living. I know lots of dealers in this hobby and I can honestly say that I don't consider any of them wealthy. They are just regular folks trying to make a living.
Also, I didn't really care who bought the machine. I had a price in mind and the first person that came up with the cash had it. I was happy for this dealer. He was excited because the game was better than he expected so he was going to take it straight to his buyer. If he made a few grand, more power to him.
I've only sold a very limited number of pins to collectors. Most of my interactions with selling pins to collectors has been a huge pain. I'll take the loss and trade it in to a dealer so I don't have to deal with some of these folks. (though I had a very pleasant recent experience with selling a pin to a collector) So if it weren't for dealers, all the pins I've gone through may have never made it back out for others to buy.
So to the OP....I hope you can get what you want for your pin.
OK.....I am done rambling. Move along.
Quoted from PEN:Check IP
Nah. Nothing strange about someone who has a total of about ten posts and seems to show up at convenient times. Then disappears again for long stretches.
Quoted from dinot:I didn't bother getting into it with him, but my feeling is that dealers help the hobby. Plus it isn't like dealers are getting rich. They have families to feed like the rest of us and this is how they make a living. I know lots of dealers in this hobby and I can honestly say that I don't consider any of them wealthy. They are just regular folks trying to make a living.
I don't think it is really dealers that bother people as much as the pin flippers. The worst combination is the pin flipper with a dealer he serves as a front for (*cough, I mean friend of the dealer) and that flipper gets all the dealer's LE's and then tries to flip them way over MSRP while the dealer just tells people he is out.
When dealers are contributing to the artificial market for a game I think that is when people have an issue with them. People have always disliked flippers, that is in every single hobby, not just pinball.
Quoted from sammiesguys:Nah. Nothing strange about someone who has a total of about ten posts and seems to show up at convenient times. Then disappears again for long stretches.
Ha, maybe its a family member helping him achieve the dream goal of getting thumbed up....something
I really enjoyed my tron pro then bought tron le
sometimes you need to let things go
10,250 took it away and i really have no thoughts i made the wrong decsion
but there was nothing there for my kids really the disc isnt really eye candy
i feel my kids are the future of pinball so they should be drawn in to something visual
My current collection
IM - Monger
CC - Bad Guys
SC- I really enjoy LOL
MOP- Sparkey / Snake / Hammer
lots of interaction from toys etc
Addams will re join my crew eventually
Quoted from TigerLaw:I don't think it is really dealers that bother people as much as the pin flippers. The worst combination is the pin flipper with a dealer he serves as a front for (*cough, I mean friend of the dealer) and that flipper gets all the dealer's LE's and then tries to flip them way over MSRP while the dealer just tells people he is out.
When dealers are contributing to the artificial market for a game I think that is when people have an issue with them. People have always disliked flippers, that is in every single hobby, not just pinball.
In the case of new pins I can see that being an issue. But there is some risk there. They could buy up the next Nascar or WPT or TF or more recently X-Men (Avengers also?). I am not saying any of those pins are bad, just that they haven't appreciated. I actually bought a NIB WPT and currently own a TF Pro (I am one of the folks that likes the Pro more than the LE) and might add an X-Men. Regardless though, I would agree that if a new pin dealer does what you mention, that this is a rather poor business practice.
The person I was dealing with referred to all dealers as pin flippers. (In this case dealers that sell used pins). Well of course they are flippers. They aren't going to buy your pin and sit on it. They have resources to find sellers that may not be available to everyone. They also deliver, setup and often offer some sort warranty. (usually 30 days or so).
Quoted from dinot:In the case of new pins I can see that being an issue. But there is some risk there. They could buy up the next Nascar or WPT or TF or more recently X-Men (Avengers also?). I am not saying any of those pins are bad, just that they haven't appreciated. I actually bought a NIB WPT and currently own a TF Pro (I am one of the folks that likes the Pro more than the LE) and might add an X-Men. Regardless though, I would agree that if a new pin dealer does what you mention, that this is a rather poor business practice.
The person I was dealing with referred to all dealers as pin flippers. (In this case dealers that sell used pins). Well of course they are flippers. They aren't going to buy your pin and sit on it. They have resources to find sellers that may not be available to everyone. They also deliver, setup and often offer some sort warranty. (usually 30 days or so).
I don't disagree with anything you are saying and there are a lot of good dealers out there.
Quoted from TigerLaw:I don't think it is really dealers that bother people as much as the pin flippers. The worst combination is the pin flipper with a dealer he serves as a front for (*cough, I mean friend of the dealer) and that flipper gets all the dealer's LE's and then tries to flip them way over MSRP while the dealer just tells people he is out.
When dealers are contributing to the artificial market for a game I think that is when people have an issue with them. People have always disliked flippers, that is in every single hobby, not just pinball.
The fiasco with Metallica has created a situation that really hasn't happened before as far as I can tell. Normally some dealers order a whole bunch of games, both for current customers and for themselves as speculation.
In this case stern cut into dealers orders, so that left some customers out in the cold, and would lead you to also believe heavily into the dealers speculation inventory. I would assume that plenty of dealers are very unhappy with this. The speculation profit would have been a big one for this game.
Where you will see a full blown riot take place is if a dealer cut orders from their customers, and ends up tied to a game that shows up as speculation later.
Edit: I assume that is the "pin flipper" you are referring to?
Quoted from sammiesguys:Edit: I assume that is the "pin flipper" you are referring to?
Yes, that is correct.
Quoted from sammiesguys:In this case stern cut into dealers orders, so that left some customers out in the cold, and would lead you to also believe heavily into the dealers speculation inventory. I would assume that plenty of dealers are very unhappy with this. The speculation profit would have been a big one for this game.
Where you will see a full blown riot take place is if a dealer cut orders from their customers, and ends up tied to a game that shows up as speculation later.
I think you will see a great number of the brick and mortar dealers will have this game in stock when it is released and will instantly list for a price high above MSRP . . .
Quoted from Concretehardt:^ ding ding ding.... Good call Pen!
I doubt it is him unless he is doing a Keyser Soze - Kevin Spacey thing by trying to throw people off his secret identity by posting with correct grammar, spelling, and brevity.
On topic, when you have a desirable, rare item, all sense of worth goes out the window when there are people out there with money. How many NIB are left? 10 maybe? If it sold for 13k, how many people would be shocked? If it sat for a year, how many people would be shocked?
High end collectibles in any market defy appraisals all the time. Google what people thought the Batmobile was going to sell for at the last car auction - the final sale blew pre-auction estimates away.
Full disclousre: I don't own one, or plan on buying one, so I am not price cheerleading/policing this one. I'm just saying on high end collectibles it is hard to gauge what something will sell for if people really want it and how rare it is perceived. It is usually an emotional buy and not a logical one.
Wow that is just insane that you think someone is that stupid? Mine was valued at 10 grand with mods and very very low plays. Guess you want to get rich off a pinsider, good luck but not going to happen. You sat on it too long better get it sold before ramp mod is out.
Quoted from doughslingers:13500 is not bad really. I would gladly trade a Hulk LE and Xmen Wolverine for it or a WOZ standard plus either of those two and pick it up in person and bring those pins.
We do have someone else besides me who is sane here! $13,500 is right on. These guys just don't have a clue plus some of them are here just to sabotage this post and every FS Post. Jealousy? Boredom? Who knows what their problem is but we all know its the same guys over and over. I know a lot of guys who I meet offline who also think these guys are a bunch of... well, you can imagine. I can't say it here. They are making quite a name for themselves. Same guys different day, different FS Post. They are the ones that ruined RGP and now look at what they are doing to Pinside...
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