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No Good Gofers
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IMG_20140426_125835_501.jpgComing to Allentown? I've been looking for a clean NGG for awhile now.
Sorry...if huo it wouldn't have two sets of carriage bolts on the front covering up the security bar holes that were there. I have been selling games since 1981 and almost NO pinballs were sold new in the box until the very late 90's, and even then that was rare. Wasn't really until Stern was the last man standing and Williams was long gone that the home market started heating up due to few pins on location. Cracks me up all the supposed HUO Bally Williams games I see for sale....just not possible in the numbers I see. I was in the LA area in Calif and on rare occasion a music or movie star type would by one, but aside from that it was pretty much unheard of. We didn't really sell all that many used pins to homes until the late 90's, except during the holidays. The home game room filled with commercial pins is relatively new phenomonon. I once heard a WMS employee comment on the same issue....they almost never saw brand new games go into homes. Doesn't mean this one isn't, but there should not be carriage bolts in the front located where they are. None of the new ones we sold had those!
I just took in a Stern TMNT and it definitely looks HUO, and the family has had it over 20 years, but once we got it to the shop there were small signs it wasn't but it sure is nice. Some route operators really did take good care of their games so its possible to find real nice games that look HUO, but if we can't prove it we don't claim it. Props to the OP for not stating that he knows for sure it is....some do and it isn't!
Quoted from Pinball4life:Sorry...if huo it wouldn't have two sets of carriage bolts on the front covering up the security bar holes that were there. I have been selling games since 1981 and almost NO pinballs were sold new in the box until the very late 90's, and even then that was rare. Wasn't really until Stern was the last man standing and Williams was long gone that the home market started heating up due to few pins on location. Cracks me up all the supposed HUO Bally Williams games I see for sale....just not possible in the numbers I see. I was in the LA area in Calif and on rare occasion a music or movie star type would by one, but aside from that it was pretty much unheard of. We didn't really sell all that many used pins to homes until the late 90's, except during the holidays. The home game room filled with commercial pins is relatively new phenomonon. I once heard a WMS employee comment on the same issue....they almost never saw brand new games go into homes. Doesn't mean this one isn't, but there should not be carriage bolts in the front located where they are. None of the new ones we sold had those!
I disagree...I have owned games that were huo and had the holes or still have the mounted hardware for the security bar. A lot of the games including ngg actually have the security bar mounted in the original flyer
Quoted from Pinball4life:Sorry...if huo it wouldn't have two sets of carriage bolts on the front covering up the security bar holes that were there.
Those are factory for WPC95 games. I have a true HUO as well with carriage bolts.
It ain't a show dog if it doesn't have papers. That doesn't mean you can't ask $3000 for a Goldendoodle.
I just had this conversation recently with a newer hobbyist who won't buy games with carriage bolts because they would be harder to sell. They came from the factory like that after a certain year. I believe this was covered on here before.
GLWS
Quoted from Pinball4life:Doesn't mean this one isn't, but there should not be carriage bolts in the front located where they are. None of the new ones we sold had those!
Doesnt look like you unboxed many late WPC95 titles then. These are standard on all late 90's BWM's pins.
Sydney, Oz
Quoted from Pinball4life:Sorry...if huo it wouldn't have two sets of carriage bolts on the front covering up the security bar holes that were there.
What would you recommend then for the home use owner? Wadded up bubble gum? I saw this post when it first arrived and thought this must be one of the nicest original examples of this machine left on the planet! I have removed these bolts only to leave a hole there, but who cares! You are not looking at them when you play. The pics say this is a low use example of a popular game from the 90s.
Quoted from o-din:The pics say this is a low use example of a popular game from the 90s.
o-din the Pin whisperer 
Condition is king........long live this NGG.
GLWS I wish we could get deals like these in NZ
Quoted from o-din:I have removed these bolts only to leave a hole there,
Why would you do that?
Game looks great. Too bad it's the only p-law game I don't like!
Quoted from Pinballer22:I disagree...I have owned games that were huo and had the holes or still have the mounted hardware for the security bar. A lot of the games including ngg actually have the security bar mounted in the original flyer
What's a Stern TMNT? I have a Data East TMNT pinball and Konami made the two TMNT arcades.
Quoted from Pinball4life:Sorry...if huo it wouldn't have two sets of carriage bolts on the front covering up the security bar holes that were there. I have been selling games since 1981 and almost NO pinballs were sold new in the box until the very late 90's, and even then that was rare. Wasn't really until Stern was the last man standing and Williams was long gone that the home market started heating up due to few pins on location. Cracks me up all the supposed HUO Bally Williams games I see for sale....just not possible in the numbers I see. I was in the LA area in Calif and on rare occasion a music or movie star type would by one, but aside from that it was pretty much unheard of. We didn't really sell all that many used pins to homes until the late 90's, except during the holidays. The home game room filled with commercial pins is relatively new phenomonon. I once heard a WMS employee comment on the same issue....they almost never saw brand new games go into homes. Doesn't mean this one isn't, but there should not be carriage bolts in the front located where they are. None of the new ones we sold had those!
I just took in a Stern TMNT and it definitely looks HUO, and the family has had it over 20 years, but once we got it to the shop there were small signs it wasn't but it sure is nice. Some route operators really did take good care of their games so its possible to find real nice games that look HUO, but if we can't prove it we don't claim it. Props to the OP for not stating that he knows for sure it is....some do and it isn't!
Quoted the wrong guy on that last reply. My bad 
Data East/Stern - Same company sort of
Games came from factory with holes drilled and the lock bar installed with a zip tie. Been discussed many o times. Here is a pic of the huo SC that I picked up a while back. I took the brackets off this SC and moved them to the inside of the cab using same holes and bolts and I would bet money this is what was done to this NGG.
Quoted from badbilly27:I just looked at the pics again. Is the plunger handle cracked?
It's the plunger with the divot mod..... 
Quoted from o-din:Because there was no nuts.
so it was the mounds le edition, huh? sorry. couldn't help myself.
Quoted from badbilly27:I just looked at the pics again. Is the plunger handle cracked?
Looks like it but should be easy to fix with a new one.
Quoted from davewtf:so it was the mounds le edition, huh? sorry. couldn't help myself.
Yes, the mounds edition. I pulled those bolts out and threw them in the coin drawer so they wouldn't fall out in transit, and after awhile you don't notice the are gone. I'll get to it someday. Not a high priority.
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