If you can find me a TZ that is working and not destroyed for $2200, I'll buy it right now. Hell, I'll even throw in a steak dinner and a 10% finders fee.

Until you get down to a $25k leg bolt.

ahahah waaaat? you are off your rocker. like, not even close.

You post this as you are posting for sale, what you have, at the prices you have, and as an overpriced lot. Wow man.

No one anywhere believes TZ is an will be a 2500 game. Stop trying to start this shit just because you will soon be in the market to replenish your collection after selling them all high AGAIN and looking to start new.

He's posting in bulk (with this nebulous pile of parts added in) to obfuscate the prices, so he doesn't appear *quite* as hypocritical with his high asks. It's basically the only way he can sell his games for high prices... if he started quoting individual game prices, people would (deservedly) hammer him with his own prior pinside pricing comments.

Neo, you're a nice guy, but you've completely dug your own hole here with your ridiculous pricing commentary over the years. Total hypocrite making repeated comments about others asking prices being too high, then coming in trying to unload 60K worth of games for 90K. GLWTS :p

If TZ ever even dropped to $3k, I'm in. Seems like everyone owns one so there's plenty to play, but I'd still like to own one someday. I'm still scratching my head how even rough TAF's can go for $5k when they made 20k of them.

I do think the in-rush of new pinball manufacturers (or soon to be) have greatly helped in reducing the prices of some of the older stuff, not sure how far that trend will reach though.

ahahahhahaha

As someone who has been collecting console games and pinball games for years I can say there is no way Twilight Zone will drop to $2500 "as the norm."

People will buy them all up way before it gets to that point and supply and demand (especially with all the new owners and barcade people) dictates the market won't get to that point.

Everyone has been saying for years that the NES and SNES has "bottomed out" and "hit a ceiling" but my games have gone nowhere but up as a whole for the past 20 years. Pinball is no exception. It was very very very low to begin with and people just aren't going to part with them that low. They'll keep it until they get their price.

Granted some pins have dropped recently because of stuff for sale and CONDITION is a huge factor now. Routed games have dropped for sure now but nicer working ones will still get plenty of bites.

Regardless of how people look at "x" game, if retail can sell Twilight Zone for $7000 there is still a market.

Please tell me where I can find these piles of NES games for $1. Unless you mean the common NES games, then I don't care, as that's the going rate.

Damn even your references are high

Take this thread for example!

You are assuming that the demand will drop back to levels of a decade ago. The amount of people collecting pinball machines has gone up substantially since then. The newer pins should soften the market for older pins, but not back to those levels. Unless new pins start going for much less than they are now, older "A list" titles will still command higher prices as there will be more people chasing the same finite amount of older pins. Remakes can raise the supply, but we haven't seen many of those yet.

You don't have the operators getting out of the business like they were ten + years ago either, selling warehouses of games. Operators that are still in business know that the demand for used games is higher now and are pricing their routed games accordingly.

Man, I was surprised to see that N64 Super Smash Bros is around $50 these days. I thought I could get a copy for $5. And I remember working at Funcoland and having 100s of copies of some games, NES especially, and the price sheet listed them at .01c. Even though these games were produced in volume, it seems like the collectors market for EVERYTHING went insane over the last 2-3 years.

I just don't see TZ going to $2500 again because the collector market is just so much larger than it was 8 years ago. Robin should put a pinside graph together of total users over time; same with RGP user data. I mean I'm only 2.5 years into the hobby and I've gotten 3 other people to buy games. It's possible there's something like 5x as many collectors or more. And the amount of games coming off route is like zero now.

Just basic supply and demand. When people become of age for their "nostalgia" they have the money to afford it and prices go up. The average person getting into NES, SNES, N64, etc, they all want the popular games. Everyone asks me the same thing at my store, "Why do these cost so much?"; the simple answer being everyone and their mother wants them. Hence the high ratings on "rich pin owners" getting into the hobby (Twilight Zone and Addams Family).

No, console collecting is very similar in that aspect as well. Some really "rare" games the value is not always there. Bebe's Kids is VERY rare for SNES, but does not command as much as a simple Super Mario All Stars at times.

Like with pinball some "rare" stuff (like Krull) commands a lot. It is the same with any hobby.

I mean, if you really think SNES and NES games are plentiful at $1 each that's like saying I can pick up all the Stern Magic and Flash Pinballs beat up for $150 and saying pinballs are worth that only.....

You definitely do not know about the market for SNES and NES stuff.

Neo's been singing this same tune for 10 years.

He's always been wrong.

Maybe one day he'll be right.

But in this case, the days of $2500 TAFs - if ever - won't be returning for many, many years. Which makes it irrelevant to anybody who actually wants one now.

You aren't going to see $2500 TAFs in 5 years. You won't see them in 10 years. Everybody knows this. Even Neo, I suspect, but he's been saying "prices will drop soon!" for so long that he's pretty much married to it now. Saying it - and being wrong about it - for a decade hasn't hurt him, so he might as well keep on with it.

The largest driver behind aftermarket prices is the price of a new pin.

A new Stern is almost $5000.

A new JJP is $8000.

TZ has way more stuff in it than any Stern title - it's more similar to WOZ in terms of "stuff" (minus the LCD).

And it's a great game - #1 on IPDB and #2 on Pinside....so the demand will always be there.

I don't see how it will ever get back down to sub $4000.

I don't know how you can ever compare home video games to pinball. I can emulate everything on my computer, and so long as I have a usb SNES joystick, why should it matter if it's an original cart on an original system? The experience is the same. Now try recreating a mechanical pinball in emulation. It's a neat simulation, but it's not the same. So unless they decide to recreate an existing pinball (MMr), prices will always be at a certain level.. And since MMr is $8k, and used TAF's and TZ's go for between $4k-$7k, I don't see them being remade unless planetary pinball has decided to lower prices once all the low hanging fruit are covered.

That's what everyone is doing on your "sale" here

When your bulk purchase doesn't pan out, I got dibs on shadow parts and gnr plastics.

You don't even have to use emulation anymore... flash carts are available for most popular systems. Dump the ROMS on an SD card, plug card in cart, cart in system, and play on original hardware

It's still nice (and more legit) to own original copies of the games you like and play a lot. Many people realize that and seek out their favorites.. hence the price jump on good classic games.

for the most part video games (not arcade games) are like baseball cards. You collect them to collect and only the rare and highly graded are really worth anything and will appreciate in value. Super Mario 1 for NES will always be worth only a dollar or so loose just like a common baseball card. Pinball machines are like car collecting only their are really no common valueless cars. I collect video games and probably have about 1500. I would say that only about 5% of the library of any game system are collectable.

I will buy all the Mario 1s for $1.

As stated before there are common pinball machines, and no, not everything needs to be "graded" at all. I have 17,000 different console games. I collected prototypes as well and financed purchasing my pinball collection from buying/selling console stuff. It was not folly or magic. The values of games that are "not" rare are much more common than you think. Boxes and manuals are key.

We're talking value, not the "experience" itself. The value of console stuff holds true. It has went up immensely in the past 20+ years I have been collecting.

I wish I bought them all from Funcoland then, and warehoused them, so I could have made 10x profit off them from you Our list price to buy was .01c, and our list price to sell was .10c, and still we shipped so many back to corporate every week. Hell I got an employee discount so I could have gotten them for .09c. I think one year we bought every copy they had at the time (30 or 40 I think) and gave them as xmas gifts randomly.

I had a friend that worked there. Sometimes their daily price updates wouldn't make business sense, and the buy price would be higher than the sell price because of demand (the supply "stock" vs the demand "sales would dictate price updates), so every morning he'd check every game, and do a buy/sell on every title (I think they limited one transaction per day), and he'd make a few extra bucks, plus the transactions only drove the buy prices up higher (demand).

Well yeah, it's like what people are saying, Mario "was" 10 cents back then, and Twilight Zone "was" $2500...."now" is always the best determination. Mario carts we sell for $5-7.99 each every single time. IF anything I would say Mario has increased more from dropping down from its own retail price.

http://kotaku.com/man-grows-up-sells-160k-worth-of-video-games-1676625133

And no one is buying his over-priced collection either:
ebay.com link: 5700 Games 50 Systems Complete Nintendo amp Sega Sets and more Huge Collection

Most of the people selling stuff in bulk (like the Nintendo console guy) don't have the rarities to back it up, or the boxes/manuals to push the value to what it needs to be.

In his defense he has a "best offer" option, but even with that being said you limit yourself to a certain audience that can afford something like this in bulk.

Factory Sealed games (especially VGAed ones) are a whole different beast entirely and can bring loads of profit if you deal in them correctly.

Whilst I realise this thread is Neos annual laugh thread (cause he could sell all that stuff in a few weeks if he really seriously wanted to) I'll join the fray just because there's nothing much else on.

The reality is that a rich guy with $100,000 for an instant collection isn't going to buy any of this stuff. They wouldn't know what a Zaccaria is for starters. They don't want a pile of parts. They are all the same, these guys. I get emails from them all the time. They do a few hours reading on the Internet, look at the top 100 here and over at IPDB, and they want the games up the top of that list. Nothing else.

These are the same dudes who pay $20,000 for a watch because they believe it tells better time than my IPhone does. Or buy a Euro car on the basis that it costs much more, so it's got to be better.

These guys only want MM, AFM, TZ, addams, CV, TOTAN. And they pay what it takes to get them. I used to say "hey, for the price of an MM you can get a FT and a DM and a JD and those are all great games, 3 or 4 games for the price of one!!" But I don't waste my breath any more. These guys read on the interwebs that MM is the best thing since sliced bread so that's what they must have.

Personally, I'd rather have 10 Zaccs than a mint MM. But that's just me.

Have fun with it Neo!

rd.

Hey Captain,

Take my money for that LOTR and start selling off what you can here and there. I do not see a 100K in my crystal ball for you and I understand you are think rare and you might have a point but a 100k even to a collector is hard to sell and most do not want to store parts all over their house. Most people who have that kind of money won't even fix their own machines. They have that kind of money because they are hard at work making the next dollar. Theses become their toys in what little spare time they have. Just like cars no different concept just price. Now back to reality and sell me that LOTR for a great low TZ price. Do it now before Stern announces the LOTR"VE" and they will trust me on that one. FYI: Collectors will then by the "VE" because they could careless if it's the "original" They just want their buddies to come over and play. Because they are not true collectors they are just a guy with allot of cash wanting to deck out their fun room and what a nice looking clean game.

Oh, I thought that was a Gottlieb Atlantis.

I am now less impressed with this collection.

Tis the season to sell the whole collection...

KLOV vs Pinside in the ultimate pinball and video game sell off!!

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=333085

You've not seen the level of restoration and innovation on this one. I'll leave that to Neo.

I believe it's nice. I also believe it's a Bally Atlantis. If you are gonna restore an Atlantis, it should really be the Gottlieb.

What an odd collection.

nevermind did a google search and you came right up!

You claim to have 122 pinball machines and 17,000 different console titles. Please post pictures as your collection would be one of the largest in the world. 17,000 really? I can't imagine how much space this takes up. My modest collection is all packed now as I have moved and it takes up a entire garage bay of boxes to the ceiling.

I still believe more than half of the NES catalog is $1 games. Sure on occasion someone may pay more than that but if you listed a few hundred at a time how many would sell? I was buying 50 a month for a dollar or so about 5 years ago but I stopped.

You could check nintendoage, I'd guess he's telling the truth.

Yeah, game collectors know. DreamTR is legit. I bought some games from him back in the day on digitpress.com

You're wrong about the NES catalog being that way. It's not what you think it is. Obviously there are commons but people here are doing the same thing, there are "common" pinball machines as well....and "big name" ones, just like the NES has.

Yes, 17,000+ different not duplicates. Most of them are complete in box North American collections of various libraries like NES, SNES, Game Boy, etc. My games all fit in one room with triple backed shelves.

I've got about 400+ arcade and pinball machines total and 200+ arcade boards to go with all that...

And I thought I was crazy.

Do you have them all set up somewhere? Must be massive!

rd.