just an fyi its more than a NIB delivered to your house

Agreed...you will most likely be keeping it at that price.

Great game, had a deal for one but got screwed by a so called friend. Wish you were closer...

First of all, we should keep the critical/price comments off a FS thread.

Second, this pin has a spectacular train topper that really sets it apart. Its a super clean, gorgeous example of ACDC with all of the bells and whistles.

Third - great seller. Buy this pin asap with confidence!!

I have no doubt the OP is a good guy

But it's a forum & price will always be a discussion

No, we shouldn't.

What if the topper has no value add to the potential buyer? The game is being sold used....do people really EXPECT to always get 90-95% value on something you can still purchase NIB?

If the topper has no value added to the buyer, then they shouldn't be a buyer for the machine.

That is the funny part about this hobby. People do expect to get 90% or more of their value back.

With that being said, I bought 3 NIB's and kept one and traded two. I had my last one up and truly got no cash offers at $6,300 not one. I did tell them local pick-up. I ended up trading it for a nice IM which I was very fine with (probably overpaid some on the IM). My point.....is probably I could have sold it for $6,000-$6,200 NIB. So that would put the value in my opinion on a used AC/DC premium at between $5,500-$5,800 and then you add in the extras. PEOPLE FORGET that when you can get an AC/DC premium delivered for $6,300 you are really paying $6,000 for the game ($300 is the delivery charge) so to expect to get more then $6,000 is to really expect more then retail.

Bottomline......for most NIB games they should drop at least 5% (which isn't much) after opening the box....assuming that the price of the AC/DC was $6,300 (which was a price I was quoted by a couple of distributors) that puts it at $6,300-$300 (delivery) which is $6K less 5 percent is $5,700 and then you add in the value of extras....so that is "your calculation" in my opinion and I don't feel that is being "harsh"....again, problem with this hobby is when people take "hits" MOST cry about it.....it is a HOBBY and losing 5-10 percent is NOTHING for a NIB in my opinion.....honestly, it should be at least 10 percent which puts the price at $5,400 before adding extras.

The argument I hear from so many is "well not everyone can afford to take a 10 percent or more hit".....well, wake up people maybe you shouldn't be in the hobby. No different then me wanting to buy a new Mercedes and then selling it and crying over losing 20 percent....maybe I shouldn't have bought the NEW Mercedes. If people don't want to lose much buy a nice HS2 or WW for under $2K and buy it locally and pick it up and you probably will not lose much....

I have made this point before but I truly wish that for the STLE prices drop 10 percent after the box is opened....it should. HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BUY ONE THEN IF THEY KNEW THERE WAS A 100% chance it would drop $800 once you opened the box and then drop another $800 after a year.....that's right everyone is SUPPOSE to play for free or make money in this hobby. If that is the case we should change it from a PINBALL HOBBY to a PINBALL BUSINESS as like I have said many times "this is the cheapest hobby I participate in" and still would be if prices depreciated (like most assets) 5 percent or 10 percent each year (on a $50K collection 5% depreciation is only $2,500.....and if people can't afford that maybe they shouldn't have a $50K collection in my opinion).

Totally agree house. Just because you dump several hundred or possibly a thousand dollars on mods does not mean you are going to re-coup it all. I can understand having a price and mentioning up for other offers, which I am sure the seller will consider anyways. Not trying to trash someone selling a great game...just informing so they can move it for their next pin

I agree with what House says, mind boggling at times.....

Seller says to "make him an offer"....

Awarner.....you seem like a really nice guy. I didn't mean to criticize you as that was not my intention. You aren't pricing this badly in my opinion based on other people's pricing. My real point was that just about everyone (you are not by yourself...LOL) doesn't truly understand that most "toys" depreciate over time and NIB should probably depreciate 5-10 percent after you open the box and play it....people feel to "get this concept" when it comes to BOATS, CARS, etc.

I now hear people trying to compare pins to FINE ART...LOL !!!! Little different between a MM and a Picasso.....but what do I know anymore. I don't consider pinball machines for the most part "collectibles sought after by the billionaires of the world" but now that is how I am seeing people justifying the prices going up and up.

The difference between FINE ART and PINBALL MACHINES is once Technology changes someday (and it will over the next 10-20 years in my opinion) you can see a BIG DROP in pricing. Once MM, MB, AFM etc. is no longer "state of the art" and it still is for the most part as most people enjoy a good game of MM as much as a good game of AC/DC premium....probably most prefer MM after all these years and THAT IS WHY THE PRICE GOES UP....DEMAND IS STILL HIGH and SUPPLY PROBABLY DWINDLES A LITTLE EACH YEAR (as it can no longer go up).

I truly wonder if we all knew prices would drop 50% in 3-4 years how many people who supposedly love their pins would FIRESALE THEM quickly....my guess is A LOT....NOT ALL but A LOT as they would be like "hey, we don't want to lose money".....that is the difference in this hobby to say boating....we all know our BOATS lose money every year plus they cost us a FORTUNE in slip fees, gas and maintainance....maybe why I am IMMUNE to pinball costs as it is such a cheap hobby....damn, when I go golfing with my son it cost me over a $100 most times for 4 hours of fun !!!! This is the CHEAPEST HOBBY I will ever have.....my Caps season tickets cost me $18K this year to take the family.

Good luck to AWARNER...good news is the game will sell as I feel it is one of the best in my collection and my wife's favorite.

AC/DC ROCKS.....GREAT GAME SOMEONE SHOULD BUY THIS and Make him some offers !!!

This is a shame.... Why are some of the same people on this topic busting this guys balls on his price but on the other FS post are bumping his FS post and giving it "GLWS".

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-acdc-premium-1

I really have no problem with price policing but what I do have issues with is some people getting a hard time on price while others getting support when the value of the machines are basically the same. Yes I know the other guys is $100 less but I would argue that this one has more $$$ in mods.

You know what's even more tedious than price policing? Price price policing.

Every single one is a free bump to the seller. Anyone who's gonna spend north of $6k on something is surely able to make up their own mind without caring what people in a forum think. Let the OP handle things, it helps show the character of the person you might do business with.

My two cents -

You will not see a nicer, more decked out, cleaner ACDC Premium. Al is extremely meticulous about his games. And in a basement full of them, ACDC truly stands out and attracts the biggest crowd.

As for the topper - it is outrageous. One of the coolest I've ever seen. Even in a pinball league of jaded pinheads, it drew oohs and aahhs.

I have a EATPM I would trade, but your a LITTLE far away....

Damn that's a great deal. $6K for a HUO ACDC premium with Shaker topper and other mods. this is a great game at a very reasonable price. Plus I love that train topper. If it does not sell and you want to sell me the topper I'd be interested.

I think you meant "policing price policing."

Bump for a great game at a good price.
It will sell it's just that there are so many choices right now the here is thinned out. Just need the right guy at the right time.

Just to jump on this, all of Al's games are pristine as can be and kept in an environment clearly designed and built for the purpose of housing pins and vids. The AC/DC absolutely dominates in a room with some stellar titles. Considering the games you have which you seem to like best I can kind of see why AC/DC hasn't grabbed you but if I could afford it I'd consider. While the machine isn't NIB, it's as clean as day 1 as I can tell and the topper is one of the best I've seen for any machine, period. Hope you find a buyer. I know two people with EATPMs that would likely volunteer their machines for ramp testing, just FYI. Both are not too far from Atl.

Good luck AL

Super nice looking pin.

One reason I love the pinballbash forum... no price policing !!

Al's one of the nicest guys I've met through pinball. Seriously. He let two total strangers (My wife and I) come into his home and play pinball in his BEAUTFUL collection while we were in town and he didn't know us from squat. He's contributed more to the community than most of us probably ever will. Anyone who says otherwise can just go jump in a tiger pit.

If you were interested and you thought the price was too high, you should've sent a PM and offered less. If you had no interest in the first place, then just shut up!

As a proud ACDC Pro owner, $6K for a decked out Premium is a steal. If you're in the market, this is a no-brainer (clear lower PF, topper, cannon, shaker, etc). Good luck on this badass game!

Al has been a huge contributor to pinball over the years

For those of you who don't know Al, he's my cohost on the Pins and Vids DVD series (http://www.pinsandvids.com). So if you've seen any of those or even any of the previews you can put a face to the persona.

Ditto here... why are all the ACDC premiums FS/FT down south right now??!??!?
GLWS wish it was closer

Al will be at Expo, so there is always the possibility of meeting at expo for a trade.