A year ago that machine would have been gone in a flash but since MMR was announced it seems like MM prices have dropped worse than <edited>.

I am not sure what I would do at this point if I was in the market for a MM. But I know I would be hard pressed to pay more for an original that I could buy a new in box machine for. Thankfully I am not in that league so I don't have to worry about it.

Free bump & best of luck to you getting your MM sold.

Not sure what you'd do? Well, here's a suggestion:
Maybe skip the MM FS threads? eyeroll....

yep agree, your not interested in it, move along.

OP. GLWS

Thanks for letting us know your position. We were worried.

GLWS OP!

Maybe you guys should leave him alone? At least he made a comment that was relevent to the thread, bashing him isn't.

However, I still gave him a thumbs down for the political bullshit.

Man, you guys are touchy. All he said was Obama's ratings are tanking and you freak out. If he said MM's prices were rising like Obama's ratings you wouldn't be so angry about it. It's just a statement of fact. Sure, he could have used a different analogy, but it is what it is. Let's try to have some thicker skin around here. Besides, I think's it's pure genius...just look at all the free bumps the OP is getting! GLWS!!!

I certainly didn't 'thumbs down' him for that remark... that was the only remark I actually agreed with in his post.

GLWTS OP!

Fair enough, but it WAS the only part of his comment that made any sense

Will you take $7,200 CASH! Let me know I'm serious

thumbs down for use of bullshit.

And that is why I just gave you a thumbs up.

I was teetering...

I'm recently finding the price-police-police much more offensive than the price police. While most of us are interested in how the MMR will affect MM prices, I am of the position that nice original MMs will be much more desirable once MMRs get widely available.

GLWTS

If you are serious, send him a PM.

It's good to agree with facts.

Is this like the one you sold a few weeks ago for $7250 that nobody could ever verify was real?

I believe you'll be proven wrong in the end,the new MMR is made by the same cabinet Co.(Churchill Cabinets,the same Co. Making the pLayfield(Chicago gaming, and everything else like the legs, coin door ,balls etc. are made by other companies,so besides that the new MM will be a lot better than the original with a shaker motor, original uncompressed sound files,double cleared pLayfield,full LED lighting,better more reliable electronics,full color DMD display,choice of trim color etc...so it's a no brainier when it comes to pricing and availability that no one is gonna want an original unless it's for much less than $7,995!

That's a given... Nice original 'anything' will always be much better and more desirable... remakes are just a fad.

Yes, but the board in the backbox is smaller... So there.

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Looks like some pretty severe wear by the castle lock? or am I just not familiar enough with the game?

Either way if the coindoor is the only issue I'm sure you can get a new one if someone *has* to make it perfect. $89 at Marco
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/10-4300-XXX

I don't think remakes will be a fad. Obviously nice original games will always be more desirable to true collectors. However there are some of us out there that are only interested in owning the games for playability. Remakes won't hold their value the same way as originals but I think there will be plenty of demand in the players market for them.

until people respect a FS thread. NO

If you post a free ad in a discussion forum, you get... discussion. There are places to advertise where you don't get public feedback. This isn't one of them.

Hurts doesn't it? Facts are facts.

Not true.

What he said was not against the rules. It's a discussion forum and you are allowed to discuss. Attacking someone and breaking the rules becuase you don't feel like they are "respecting a FS thread" is against the rules.

That's the problem with this place, the rules are pretty decent but there is allmost no enforcement, and even when there is enforcement it's so inconsistent.

Why would anyone care at this point What Obama's approval ratings are? it's not like he's up for re-election.

And politics are politics. I don't see how making reference to a poltician's poll numbers, even if they're verifiable factual statements, complies with the forum rules on political statements. But maybe I missed the "but it's a fact" exception, which I'm sure is right next to the "but it's a joke" and "but you wouldn't be complaining if we were talking about the other guy" exceptions.

Meh... sometimes...

Remakes that were better than the orginals:
The Maltese Falcon
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Oceans 11
Salma Hayek:

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I gotta say, the second pic just looks like a couple of fatbags hanging off a cow. Got milk?

ANOTHER FREE BUMP!!! (Or two bumps, in this case...)

I don't understand the"original is more" theory around here, especially considering the fact that most of us go out of our way to throw in LEDs and install as much plastic crap and repro items as we possibly can into these games.

Originality isn't valued, clean, new, and blingy is.

I've avoided dire price predictions for over a decade....but here it is!

Original MMs are gonna drop back down to prices from 10 years back.

If the MMR's are as nice as people are saying, and have better features as they roll off the assembly line brand new, the originals will certainly drop below 8k. As will Cactus Canyon and AFM.

Fake boobs suck, especially on desperate actresses over 40. Who complained about Salma's boob size in the 90's? Oh right, nobody.

Ever been in a group of people, and someone blurts out a political comment ASSUMING everyone in the room thinks like they do? You're always going to offend someone, so unless you're paid to do it like John Stewart or Glenn Beck, best to keep it to yourself.

When she hits 60 those tits will look like a pair of war clubs with goatskin handles sitting in her lap.

GLWTS OP!

Yes it is the same machine but his looks nicer?

Then perhaps you should respond to the original poster who posted the post about politics then? I was merely responding to the post so I followed the rules.

Ah yes, the "but my political post was in response to a post complaining about political posts" exception. Sorry, left that off the list.

Seems pretty easy to follow the spirit of the "no politics" rule: if your post includes a direct reference to a politician/political party it's probably not welcome (post #2). Even if you don't name names, if your post is designed primarially to tweak supporters of a particular politician/political party (your first post, where you clearly implied that jalpert was "hurt" by the aforementioned poll numbers) then it's probably not welcome.

Sorry OP, GLWS, and I'll stop cluttering up your thread with discussion about discussions about politics.

It really blows my mind that everyone got their panties all bunched up over my post. First off the guy had put the machine up on RGP 1/2 a day before he listed it here asking and then a few hours later asked for input about his asking price when he had not gotten any replies on his post. I told him basically the same thing on RGP. Bottom line machine is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Bottom line is everyone has different ideas as far as where machine prices are headed but FACT IS since MMR was announced MM prices have dropped by 20 to 30% - THIS IS FACT. There have been more MM for sale lately than ever before. And it seems like price point on decent used one is now around $7500 to $8000.

As far as my Obama comment - again just stating FACT. Not a political comment - just facts.

At least my post was talking about the guys machine and not bashing someones point of view. Free bump - wished him luck selling it - and didn't bash his asking price.

In my eyes a seller can ask what ever they want for a machine. If it sells their price was in line - if not they drop price or keep the machine. Sellers set asking price but buyers set selling price. A machine is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Ask what ever you want and let the market decide what is "fair".

If you read my original post my first line was "This machine would have been gone in a flash at that price a year ago". Then I went on to say "personally I wouldn't pay more for a used MM than I would for a new MMR". I never bashed his price - never said anything bad about his machine - just stated FACTS! Then I wished him luck with selling his machine. And I did something wrong???

For sale threads are open to discussion as it relates to the sale of a game. Justifying commentary as warranted because it is in a forum in lieu of a market ad is a weak justification. It has be stated by the pinside staff that comments should pertain to the topic, i.e. interest in buying a game in this case; not a place for speculation and price badgering. Sadly, my post does just the same thing. If I were the op, I would just report the offenders as not following pinside rules and request a thread eject for that person(s). Problem solved. Glws op.

Fact.

This was sold in a couple hours for $9,200.00

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-medieval-madness-in-so-cal

It is sad to see this listing get hijacked with all the talk about remakes & stuff but hopefully the seller understands this at least keeps his post on top of the page.

I truly wish anyone selling a machine - any machine - all the best. But personally I think anyone who held a MM machine because prices kept going up made a mistake. It looks like a year or so ago was the perfect time to bale.

In any event - another free bump & best of luck to you again getting your machine sold.

Don't look at all this discussion as being a bad thing - it is keeping your post on top of the page. This is my last post here but I didn't want to see the seller upset because post was hijacked. If not for it getting hijacked post would be like most for sale post and drop off the first page in an hour or so. Anyone who has listed a machine for sale here has seen this and any comment should be seen as a free bump.

About a year ago - EXACTLY what I was talking about with my original post. "Would have sold in a flash at this price a year ago".

But where is the market today?

I don't know I am just glad I resold it rather than putting 4K+ into it and my time to restore it.
9k is still a good price if someone wants an original game though.

You really can't compare a pre-MMR announcement sale to now. The market has changed.

I paid $3000 each for Superbowl tickets a few years ago. I'm pretty sure I can't sell them for that much now. The market has changed.

Fact! A sale from year ago is not a current fact.

Wow Teekee good to know. I'm going to thumbs up all your responses now regardless of how much I may disagree with them.

If it seems like a political comment, it probably is. Just ask me. I've been booted out of forums for less. If your comments lean the "right" way however, they tend to get frowned on a lot less.

stop trying to justify any comments are good comments?

your entitled to an opinion on the state of MM/ and MMrs, and their value but not on someones FS thread.

"For sale threads are open to discussion as it relates to the sale of a game. Justifying commentary as warranted because it is in a forum in lieu of a market ad is a weak justification. It has be stated by the pinside staff that comments should pertain to the topic, i.e. interest in buying a game in this case; not a place for speculation and price badgering. Sadly, my post does just the same thing. If I were the op, I would just report the offenders as not following pinside rules and request a thread eject for that person(s). Problem solved. Glws op. "

Well said Skins. maybe one day people will understand.

As the pinside turns GLWS OP