Franktown, CO
I've seen more than a few times this so called selling point for a pinball:
"fresh off a route"
isn't that about the same as a pimp telling a customer his escort is fresh off the night shift?
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Quoted from Redeyes:u have 135 pins!? holy shat, and no BK2000? where do u keep all of them?
That is the largest collection I can remember seeing on Pinside.
OP, are you a rout operator or are all those games in your private collection?
Quoted from Jimmydred:Nothing wrong with routed machines....
I didn't say anything was wrong with them, most would make nice players, but to say fresh off a route is not how I would put it. Off a route it's anything but fresh, it's worn out, smells often and filthy, so yes most will clean it up before putting it up for sale.
Quoted from TigerLaw:OP, are you a rout operator or are all those games in your private collection?
this is a private collection, I had a building put up behind my house and that's where I keep them. I don't have a BK2000 or IM as right now these are not on the top of the list unless I see a good custom one, like the custom IM that went up for sale a few months back here, and I saw that too late. But someday I'll have those two. Anyone visiting the Denver CO area is welcome to drive out here to play pinball. It's a lot of work, as I will mod out most games I have as well as add pdi glass, led's, toppers, chrome, and so on, so constantly adding to the ones I have, and practically employing Ron Kruzman full time to fix up and clearcoat nos playfields and clearcoat nearly all the playfields released by CPR and Mirco.
Quoted from aberdeentp:and practically employing Ron Kruzman full time to fix up and clearcoat nos playfields and clearcoat nearly all the playfields released by CPR and Mirco.
Great, no wonder he wont do work for any of us, Thanks.
edit- here is a fresh&clean video to ad to any sales pitch.
Quoted from aberdeentp:I didn't say anything was wrong with them, most would make nice players, but to say fresh off a route is not how I would put it. Off a route it's anything but fresh, it's worn out, smells often and filthy, so yes most will clean it up before putting it up for sale.
this is a private collection, I had a building put up behind my house and that's where I keep them. I don't have a BK2000 or IM as right now these are not on the top of the list unless I see a good custom one, like the custom IM that went up for sale a few months back here, and I saw that too late. But someday I'll have those two. Anyone visiting the Denver CO area is welcome to drive out here to play pinball. It's a lot of work, as I will mod out most games I have as well as add pdi glass, led's, toppers, chrome, and so on, so constantly adding to the ones I have, and practically employing Ron Kruzman full time to fix up and clearcoat nos playfields and clearcoat nearly all the playfields released by CPR and Mirco.
thats awesome! id love to see your collection someday! i live across the country tho but make it to CO once in awhile. what do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking? just curious.. also do u have a favorite pin or top 3?
Quoted from aberdeentp:Anyone visiting the Denver CO area is welcome to drive out here to play pinball.
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Incredible collection, I would love to see it and play some. How do you get people to leave?
I assume the seller is trying to put forward the idea that this is your first chance to buy the game, because it hasn't been sitting around. But, I agree with everyone here that it doesn't make me want to buy any more than saying nothing would.
Quoted from Redeyes:what do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking? just curious.. also do u have a favorite pin or top 3?
sell and publish military books. Starting working at 11 as a paperboy and by the time I was 13 had enough saved up to buy a Spanish Eyes, then a few years later in 1979 when Paragon came out it was placed in a small travel agency. After a month I talked to route guy into selling it to me with partial trade of my Spanish Eyes. Had it till I moved away to college and after a few years my parents called wanting to get it out of the house so I let them sell it, so someone got HUO Paragon save for one month on a route, but didn't get played much as it was a small farming town I grew up in. So had the bug early and after college and later divorce and when I was able to save up, starting collecting again about ten years ago, and a few years back moved out here and put the building up to house them as previously they were at my business.
Quoted from aberdeentp:sell and publish military books. Starting working at 11 as a paperboy and by the time I was 13 had enough saved up to buy a Spanish Eyes, then a few years later in 1979 when Paragon came out it was placed in a small travel agency. After a month I talked to route guy into selling it to me with partial trade of my Spanish Eyes. Had it till I moved away to college and after a few years my parents called wanting to get it out of the house so I let them sell it, so someone got HUO Paragon save for one month on a route, but didn't get played much as it was a small farming town I grew up in. So had the bug early and after college and later divorce and when I was able to save up, starting collecting again about ten years ago, and a few years back moved out here and put the building up to house them as previously they were at my business.
The OP is a great buyer by the way!!!
I always looked at that phrase as a kind of sarcastic one made to people "in the know". (i.e.. pinsiders etc)
It is a really unnecessary term, it is by no means an indicator of condition. I guess it just gives a recent history of the machines use.
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Fresh Off Route is a term used by Operators. When they use it, it means:
1. Game does work. It was recently earning money, it was not folded up corroding in some basement or DOA .
2. The game needs to be shopped. Fresh Off Route is a DISCLAIMER saying that nothing has been done to condition the game prior to sale (Freshly Shopped would be the opposite) .
Quoted from aberdeentp:I'm saying where you hear term "fresh" to describe a product it most often has a positive connotation, which is the opposite of a machine coming off a route.
To an Operator "fresh off route" is positive description, because it is a working, earning machine.
In the hobby, "fresh off route" is negative, because collectors want games that have been restored.
Hope the scorpion is a nice addition to the collection and would love to see it some time. The tftc I picked up ended up being a great deal thanks again!
Quoted from aberdeentp:sell and publish military books. Starting working at 11 as a paperboy and by the time I was 13 had enough saved up to buy a Spanish Eyes, then a few years later in 1979 when Paragon came out it was placed in a small travel agency. After a month I talked to route guy into selling it to me with partial trade of my Spanish Eyes. Had it till I moved away to college and after a few years my parents called wanting to get it out of the house so I let them sell it, so someone got HUO Paragon save for one month on a route, but didn't get played much as it was a small farming town I grew up in. So had the bug early and after college and later divorce and when I was able to save up, starting collecting again about ten years ago, and a few years back moved out here and put the building up to house them as previously they were at my business.
Man, that is phenomenal. You easily have the largest private collection I have ever seen. If ever I am driving through Colorado I may take you up on the offer to go take a peak...not sure when that would be but that many machines in top flight restored condition would be a stunning site to behold.
Quoted from vid1900:To an Operator "fresh off route" is positive description, because it is a working, earning machine.
is it? Why is it coming off a route, possibly due to it constantly breaking down, and not earning money due to a variety of reasons, one of which it's beat to heck and worn out and needs to swapped out with a better looking game. If it was earning good money why take it off the route? Granted that's not the only reason, as there are also situations where a game has run its course, but if it's a solid workhorse earning money, put it in a different location. Coming completely off a route is like putting a horse to pasture.
Quoted from aberdeentp:is it? Why is it coming off a route, possibly due to it constantly breaking down, and not earning money due to a variety of reasons, one of which it's beat to heck and worn out and needs to swapped out with a better looking game. .
It is just an operator's term, that implies a working game that was earning money.
It won't mean the same thing to a lay person.
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