I've seen judder on every LCD I've ever owned. It varies depending on content.

As mcluvin stated, only an issue if your contrast is cranked and the screen orbiter is off. Even then, you can always "wipe" the screen clean with a static white/gray image.

I refuse to let go of my Panny VT60 (which is based off Pioneer Kuro technology), especially since no one is making 3D-compatible sets anymore. My black levels are amazing.

Upgrade your TV when ATSC 3.0 and HDMI 2.1 become readily available. 8K is not too far around the corner.

no it's prob there - you just don't see it or you're very lucky as all plasma's suffer from it. If you ran a color slide deck you would pick it up.

Exactly, I have the same set. Awesome picture!

I had basically the last generation of plasma's built and I had burn in on mine as well. It was never fixed. Better, yes, never fixed. OLED's suffer from burn in as well evidently.

We are changed over from Plasma to about 50% OLED in the house now (never would touch LCD tech after having plasma). Fantastic tech, especially in HDR mode with good source material. We have this exact plasma still in our bedroom, though. Still going strong.

You must have turned off the pixel orbiter and/or ran the panel in vivid mode. We had many high end Panasonic Plasmas, ending with a P65VT60 (second highest model, below the ZT, and the last one made) and never had burn in. Persistence? Yes. Burn in? No.

OLED tech is cool in that it "cleans" the cells while the TV is "off", removing any persistence from the last session. We've had our main one for about 18 months now and no issues at all.

ALL LCD tech has it because of the way LCD tech works works. DO NOT let someone demo how to see the effect because once you can see it, you will NEVER, EVER unsee it. It will ruin all LCD TVs for you forever.

We had a 65VT60, too, but OLED makes the blacks on that top end plasma look like gray. It's really astounding.

You guys hanging on to your old TVs are preaching to the choir here.

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Panasonic FTW!

All 4 of our tvs are plasma and I won't be getting rid of them until they go. 50" Pioneer in the living room has been running flawlessly(knock on wood) for over 11 years and the picture looks better than some of the junk I see in people's homes. No burn in here to complain of. Only complaints are energy use is higher and while it helps keep the room warm during colder months it also keeps the room really warm in warmer months.

I grew up playing 16 bit games on CRT TVs. I found such a TV from 1999 that was dumped in someone's front yard, got rained on, has a busted case, and has some minor scrapes on the front. It had a broken tuner and video input jack. After modifying it with an RGB SCART input it works great. Have it hooked up to a Raspberry Pi using Recalbox to play emulators on!

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/64-direct-view-single-tube-crt-displays/2484081-rgb-input-hack-attempt.html

That picture looks like it was taken with a polaroid.

Exactly. Never "fixed" it's inherent to the technology

Btw I like the use of the word persistence for burn in that goes away eventually. Whatever you call it regardless if it's permanent it's a PIA and really was annoying to have to worry about.

I used to be crazy into TVs getting the latest etc. Since I bought my 65 OLED a few years back from LG, I haven't even thought about a new TV. It's unbelievable how nice of a pic it is. 4k HDR just adds to the insanity that I'm watching but as an owner of it I don't think it's imperative.

The fact that when the screen is showing black it looks like the tv isn't even turned on still impresses me three years later

Yea I get it, and I’m not trying to be a smart ass here.. but you don’t move it from wall to wall right? 1 and done. I’ve logged thousands of hours on mine with no burn in. When it comes to FPS, I need every advantage I can get over those 12yr old zombies... 600mhz refresh is almost crt fast. Edit: without long term burn in. I’ve had some short term from the wife leaving dvd’s In the menus too long

The 600 thing will not help with gaming. What really counts with gaming is response time (input lag). Plasma is no better than LCD for that.

Input lag is caused (partially but significantly) by digital signal processing (post-processing of an input signal before it is displayed on screen).
TV manufacturers tend to develop newer and more processing-power demanding DSP techniques over time, which add to input lag when active.
For this reason, newer TV models tend to have higher input lag figures than their previous generation counterparts (however, nearly all TVs nowadays have a 'Game Mode" picture preset which disables most of the post-processing effects in order to reduce input lag).

To avoid confusion, it is important to note that the two are independent of each other.
A display can have a high response time but low input lag, and vice-versa. Ideally, you should be looking for a display with both a low response time and low input lag.

As mentioned previously in this thread, Plasma displays will beat nearly all LCD displays hands down when it comes to BOTH response time and input lag

while we're talking about tvs, what's really impressed me on the super cheap side is TCL. Bought one recently as everyone was saying how good they were. I didn't believe it - but 400 bucks for 55 4k HDR and I will tell you - the pic is very very good. I've seen so many too in my years of being a TV techy. Highly recommned that TCL Roku one.

It is if you get one old enough! The problem with input lag on LCD and LED televisions is all the stupid image processing that’s done. A lot of newer TVs have a “game mode” that minimizes the lag by less image processing, but there’s still definitely lag. I noticed this when playing some virtual console games on the Wii U on my LCD.

Old plasmas, if old and cheap enough, won’t have any image processors in it, and have (as far as I can tell), imperceptible lag compared to CRT monitors.

I was under the impression that the new OLEDs from LG were comparable to plasma. They sure look nice with the demo video at best buy.

Did the OP ever find the TV a new home?
Believe it or not I have had more difficulty trying to give something away vs. selling things at a cheap price. Not sure if it is the psychology -- people think there is a catch to getting something for free vs. they are more willing to pay a couple dollars and get a great deal?

Anyway, Iif I was closer I'd have picked it up by now -- my old Sony Tube TV went out in the spare room awhile back and I have not picked up a replacement yet.

GLWT Giveaway.

I only have 3D and they're getting harder to find!

I'm still rocking the 42'' plasma in the basement, but I'm upgrading to a projector soon. Gonna go as big as I can.

I've got a 65" Sharp that is really a Hisense. If you load the Hisense firmware, it enables 3D.

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I have a 40 sum inch one over my bar, dude.. it’s incredible for the ~ 250 I paid for it. Wish it had more inputs for stuff, but that’s a whole different discussion

I don't think that necessarily true. See this article from 2013, when plasma's were still being made:

https://www.cnet.com/news/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/

The top 5 were all non-plasma. So you're saying, well those are newer, what about older models?

Looks like 46ms for an older 2008 Kuro.

Do you turn off the heat when the tv is on?

Man Plasma's are turning into CRT's, nice to still folks running them. I just need my Arcades CRT's fixed sigh.

Sony 75" Z9D owner FALD estimate about 800 zones, I love 3D its better than movie theaters , I love bright HDR images & OMG the brightness on this set! right now with Sony Dolby Vision is waiting on other updates its a mess, knowing that OLED has 5-10% better blacks and not by much on my Z9D, but ot have 50-60% more brightness its moot since I am well under the price of a 75" OLED, since I never watch movies from an angle I am good. OLED will go the way of Plasma... MicroLED will replace OLED soon and be vastly superior.

Carry on

My 2016 LG OLED has a 26ms lag time in game mode. And it looks like this year's LG OLEDs are down to 12.4ms in game mode (that's 4k + HDR). Both extremely good. So I don't think lag time should be a factor in sticking with plasma vs. upgrading to OLED.

True enough! There will always be something better around the bend for us to spend our money on. And the TV industry learned their lesson from cell phone and laptop manufacturers, you don't maximize profits selling products that people will contentedly use for 10-20 years, you want 'em itching to upgrade every two or three years.

Yea, The older models were faster. I recall some of the panasonic’s in the 10-20 ms range.. I can’t find anything to back it up tho.

I hear ya, but if you have any sort of articulating/extendable mount, the lighter the better. I have steel framing which makes it that much more of a consideration. I've got a fireplace mounted TV that extends out and down. It's a 65" LCD with FALD which makes it kinda heavy. It's no fun pushing it back up above the fireplace.

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I'm waiting for vids guide on getting a colonoscopy, then I think we will have covered just about everything.

and sports.

Here's my 50" Pany . Pretty sure we got it in 2002

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Still looks great , I think.

I don't have a fair opinion of plasma, as the 1 or 2 plasma TVs I've seen over the years have been crappy with a fuzzy picture. However, they seem to have a lot of similarities with CRTs. They have glass screens, are powered by high voltage, can suffer from burn in, generate heat, are self illuminating, have excellent contrast, standard definition content looks better than on an LCD, they last for many years, and are now somewhat sought after by enthusiasts. Who knew!

How is this still available?

The free beer should get it gone....

On my way.

Fiberdude120?

No it was not me. But I do help drink Rons beer.

Sweet!

You got any free boots to give away?

One more question,
Any one have luck connecting one of these Panasonic Plasmas to A Roku device ?