Quoted from jgentry:Thought this was a for sale thread
That's true. This obviously derailed in a major way... 
Lots of free bumps. Hope the OP sells!
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One thing I appreciate about Spooky's approach is that it leaves room for themes that may not have enough middle aged dude mass appeal for Stern to do but would easily sell 500+ games. Think cool original themes, Iron Maiden, Muppets, hell even My Little Pony could find 500 bronies/dads with daughters who love MLP. And as such a dad who has seen too many MLP episodes, there's more than enough material for lots of quests, callouts, etc. Talk about a good excuse to extend the man cave into the play room...
Quoted from westofrome:One thing I appreciate about Spooky's approach is that it leaves room for themes that may not have enough middle aged dude mass appeal for Stern to do but would easily sell 500+ games. Think cool original themes, Iron Maiden, Muppets, hell even My Little Pony could find 500 bronies/dads with daughters who love MLP. And as such a dad who has seen too many MLP episodes, there's more than enough material for lots of quests, callouts, etc. Talk about a good excuse to extend the man cave into the play room...
As long as they dip into the Wiggles...
Quoted from 27dnast:No thank you. Besides, dominos is a weird machine... there's no cap, yes, but it's also not a game made with traditional location/collector market in mind. You know that...
We are going to have to disagree to disagree, in general. There's no way you're going to convince me that a company revels in under selling its market, leaving money on the table so collectors have meat on the bone to immediately flip for a decent percentage profit. RZ... Waiting list of unmet buyers and speculators comfortable in dumping money and trying to take advantage of demand is hardly an indication of a sweet spot being found.
Are you on the RZ waiting list? Sounds like complaints from someone on the waiting list.
Spooky decided on 300 units to help the business grow at a rate they are comfortable with. They don't want to over promise and under deliver, and this is already DOUBLING their production of the previous game. They are only making 300 and are profitable doing that.
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:Are you on the RZ waiting list?
Already been answered.
No...not even on the radar.
I wonder if spooky will let me pre order 10 games and bail if I can't upsell his games for him and take the profits.
Quoted from lordloss:I wonder if spooky will let me pre order 10 games and bail if I can't upsell his games for him and take the profits.
When I made the deposit on RZ I was under the impression that my refund was non-refundable as it was never stated as such. My intention all along was to take delivery of my game even though I didn't know what my situation would be 1.5 years later. Even if I pre-sell my game before it is ready to be picked up I am still relieving Spooky of their financial risk as I am following through on a promise to purchase via my deposit. I think it would be a mistake to make all deposits refundable. What happens if the next game is a dud and everyone requests a refund? Then Spooky is left holding the bag. This isn't fair at all! If you make a deposit you should follow through on it or at least find an alternate buyer without having to bring Spooky into the mix. That just brings on more work for them for no additional money/incentive.
As far as the reason that I decided to sell my game there are several. The biggest is that I have young children at home and I fear that this game may not be appropriate for them and possibly scare them. At the time I signed up for the game my son was one and wasn't speaking or into pinball at all so I figured I could buy the game for myself and enjoy it and maybe he wouldn't think anything of it. Now that he is two he's really taken a liking to pinball and knows the names of all the machines and plays them on a daily basis. I also have a 3 mo old daughter and I have a feeling she'll be the same way when she is older. I've already had to sell one game (Strange Science) because my son was terrified of the monkey on the backglass. I was also looking to buy a TWD a little while back and brought my son along to playtest and he started playing but when he looked up at the backglass he got a scared look on his face and said he didn't want to play it any more because it was scary! I have a feeling he may have the same thought's/feelings on RZ and that it's potential stay in my line-up would be limited. The other reason comes down to price. I have no desire to have an $8K+ game at home and would find more value in having a couple of cheaper games (Stern Pro's possibly) at a cheaper price. When I saw that these were being listed for stupid money I saw a chance to save myself the risk of the eventual disappointment of taking delivery of the game and possibly being forced to sell in short time due to pressure from my kids and wife. In the meantime this would also free up the funds that I have allocated for RZ now to spend on a more family friendly title that my kids and I can enjoy now. that's all there is to it. I didn't buy it to flip and circumstances change in people's lives!
Quoted from MikeS:When I made the deposit on RZ I was under the impression that my refund was non-refundable as it was never stated as such. My intention all along was to take delivery of my game even though I didn't know what my situation would be 1.5 years later. Even if I pre-sell my game before it is ready to be picked up I am still relieving Spooky of their financial risk as I am following through on a promise to purchase via my deposit. I think it would be a mistake to make all deposits refundable. What happens if the next game is a dud and everyone requests a refund? Then Spooky is left holding the bag. This isn't fair at all! If you make a deposit you should follow through on it or at least find an alternate buyer without having to bring Spooky into the mix. That just brings on more work for them for no additional money/incentive.
As far as the reason that I decided to sell my game there are several. The biggest is that I have young children at home and I fear that this game may not be appropriate for them and possibly scare them. At the time I signed up for the game my son was one and wasn't speaking or into pinball at all so I figured I could buy the game for myself and enjoy it and maybe he wouldn't think anything of it. Now that he is two he's really taken a liking to pinball and knows the names of all the machines and plays them on a daily basis. I also have a 3 mo old daughter and I have a feeling she'll be the same way when she is older. I've already had to sell one game (Strange Science) because my son was terrified of the monkey on the backglass. I was also looking to buy a TWD a little while back and brought my son along to playtest and he started playing but when he looked up at the backglass he got a scared look on his face and said he didn't want to play it any more because it was scary! I have a feeling he may have the same thought's/feelings on RZ and that it's potential stay in my line-up would be limited. The other reason comes down to price. I have no desire to have an $8K+ game at home and would find more value in having a couple of cheaper games (Stern Pro's possibly) at a cheaper price. When I saw that these were being listed for stupid money I saw a chance to save myself the risk of the eventual disappointment of taking delivery of the game and possibly being forced to sell in short time due to pressure from my kids and wife. In the meantime this would also free up the funds that I have allocated for RZ now to spend on a more family friendly title that my kids and I can enjoy now. that's all there is to it. I didn't buy it to flip and circumstances change in people's lives!
Nobody needs to know all of this. Your game is for sale, not your life story. You don't need to justify or explain your decision to sell it and nobody cares about the reasons why.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Nobody needs to know all of this. Your game is for sale, not your life story. You don't need to justify or explain your decision to sell it and nobody cares about the reasons why.
I agree and that's why I didn't put my life story in my original FS post. I'm not really bothered by people telling me to SIUMA and calling me a scalper but thought I'd try to explain my reasoning for anyone wanting to buy or sell to me in the future.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:If they get greedy and jack up the price, the scalpers will sit the next round out and they won't sell out their run.
If your business is premised on the hope that scalpers will buy your goods, then you're in trouble over the long haul.
No one ever said the flippers have the price right...yet. But there is a serious line of buyers out there, that we know for sure.
Quoted from MikeS:I agree and that's why I didn't put my life story in my original FS post. I'm not really bothered by people telling me to SIUMA and calling me a scalper but thought I'd try to explain my reasoning for anyone wanting to buy or sell to me in the future.
As you pointed out...you own the pin. You can do whatever you want with it...you're making the smart move...zero harm in seeing what the market will bring. Sell it for more, sell it for less... ask $13K... ask $5K.... you can do whatever you want.
It will sell, no doubt, and your reputation is 100% intact and solid.
Quoted from westofrome:One thing I appreciate about Spooky's approach is that it leaves room for themes that may not have enough middle aged dude mass appeal for Stern to do but would easily sell 500+ games. Think cool original themes, Iron Maiden, Muppets, hell even My Little Pony could find 500 bronies/dads with daughters who love MLP. And as such a dad who has seen too many MLP episodes, there's more than enough material for lots of quests, callouts, etc. Talk about a good excuse to extend the man cave into the play room...
Pokemon
Quoted from ZenTron:If I was Charlie I would mail MikeS back his check and give his game to the next person on waiting list.
If I was a moderator I would close this thread.
The op is more scattered than chip flakes on a new epoxy garage floor.
No need for the personal insults dude! It's only pinball.
I'm following through on my contract to purchase the game. What's the difference If I take delivery of the game and ship it out within a few days vs. keeping it for 6 months and selling it. It's my game and I'm taking delivery either way. I suppose in the future anytime someone buys a game either new or used they should never be allowed to sell it for more than they purchased it for. I've got $5500 ready and waiting for a TronLE if anyone is selling 
Quoted from MikeS:I've got $5500 ready and waiting for a TronLE if anyone is selling
dont do that, it is not a very good game 
Quoted from MikeS:I'm a fan of Rob Zombie's movies and music and think the game is great but honestly no pinball machine is worth this kind of money to me
Quoted from MikeS:I've got $5500 ready and waiting for a TronLE if anyone is selling
8000 minus 5500... 2500 difference.
simple math ZenTron.
No game is worth 8000 to the op
Pleanty of games worht 5500 to the op
LOL, funny stuff right there.
Quoted from Whysnow:8000 minus 5500... 2500 difference.
simple math ZenTron.
No game is worth 8000 to the op
Pleanty of games worht 5500 to the op
LOL, funny stuff right there.
I read it as $5500 reserved to put towards a TronLE .
Quoted from ZenTron:I read it as $5500 reserved to put towards a TronLE .
No. $5500 is what they first sold for before capitalism got involved.
Quoted from ZenTron:Whysnow, Do you think Metallica is kid/infant friendly?
(Knowing a child is afraid of a monkey on the backglass of Strange Science)
yeah, metallica is comical in stylings/art and kids seems to love the cartoon sparky getting shocked. Nothing really scary on Metallica.
Quoted from Whysnow:yeah, metallica is comical in stylings/art and kids seems to love the cartoon sparky getting shocked. Nothing really scary on Metallica.
They also love it when you get a 4x sparky JP.
Quoted from ZenTron:Whysnow, Do you think Metallica is kid/infant friendly?
(Knowing a child is afraid of a monkey on the backglass of Strange Science)
Do you have kids? I have three and sold off a bunch of games that "frightened my kids". There really isn't rhyme or reason as to what is a kid friendly game, kids are kids.
It's crazy this thread is getting so much attention, I get it when someone like Hilton tries to sell a game way over purchase price, as he berates others that do the same..... This isn't a Hilton thread, this is a Mike (the seller) thread. Mike is one of the most polite and honest people I have ever met.
Bump for a great seller, and more-so a great person.
Quoted from MikeS:The biggest is that I have young children at home and I fear that this game may not be appropriate for them and possibly scare them. At the time I signed up for the game my son was one and wasn't speaking or into pinball at all so I figured I could buy the game for myself and enjoy it and maybe he wouldn't think anything of it. Now that he is two he's really taken a liking to pinball and knows the names of all the machines and plays them on a daily basis. I also have a 3 mo old daughter and I have a feeling she'll be the same way when she is older.
wait, wat? you're just now figuring out that young kids like big, loud flashy things? 
I really have no opinion either way on your reselling the game, but I do find your sudden realization of your family situation to be pretty funny hiding something like a rob zombie pinball from a 3 year old.. that's a lot of nope 
Quoted from MikeS:No. $5500 is what they first sold for before capitalism got involved.
You should of went for the BBB Mike.
Quoted from lordloss:I wonder if spooky will let me pre order 10 games and bail if I can't upsell his games for him and take the profits.
You should have bought all 300 and mortgaged your home to put down $1k each. Then you could have set resell price at $7.5k and collected your hard earned, much deserved profit on every unit sold. Oh well, maybe next time. 
Quoted from ralphwiggum:It's crazy this thread is getting so much attention, I get it when someone like Hilton tries to sell a game way over purchase price, as he berates others that do the same..... This isn't a Hilton thread, this is a Mike (the seller) thread. Mike is one of the most polite and honest people I have ever met.
Haven't you heard Tim, I have changed my mind on this subject. It is the reality of the hobby now. Flip away. Test the waters for market. Do your thing.
I will still of course call out overpriced games much like you do.
Quoted from TomGWI:Another Pinside FS thread gone to shit. Pretty sad really and you have to pay for the privelage to sell here.
Just think of these as free bumps to the top of the forum
Quoted from mcluvin:Just think of these as free bumps to the top of the forum
Exactly.
The big no-no is going after a seller. 
...that's what destroys a FS thread.
Quoted from metallik:wait, wat? you're just now figuring out that young kids like big, loud flashy things?
I really have no opinion either way on your reselling the game, but I do find your sudden realization of your family situation to be pretty funny hiding something like a rob zombie pinball from a 3 year old.. that's a lot of nope
Yeah I know. Probably naivety and wishful thinking on my part! Before kids I thought I'd still be able to do all the fun stuff I did before having kids still and that they wouldn't really cramp my lifestyle. Well, I can say that reality has set in and that has changed. Just ask any of my local friends how many pinball tournaments and league nights I've been able to attend lately.... Having kids is the best thing that happened to me but they do change your life more than you can ever imagine!
Quoted from MikeS:Just ask any of my local friends how many pinball tournaments and league nights I've been able to attend lately....
you did not hear... you were kicked out of league nights or ability to attend any local events. You have missed too many
Just give it a few more years and your boy will be dominating all the events. I am hoping his first official event will be MRP2017 or 2018... or Waunnabowl as that also seems very fitting!
Quoted from Whysnow:you did not hear... you were kicked out of league nights or ability to attend any local events. You have missed too many
Just give it a few more years and your boy will be dominating all the events. I am hoping his first official event will be MRP2017 or 2018... or Waunnabowl as that also seems very fitting!
Yep. A couple more years' and the kid should be ready! I think he would dominate if there was an under 3 year old category. He already knows how to trap and can actually aim to hit shots. He's never really been a shotgun flipper which is unusual for people starting out.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:You should have bought all 300 and mortgaged your home to put down $1k each. Then you could have set resell price at $7.5k and collected your hard earned, much deserved profit on every unit sold. Oh well, maybe next time.
Might as well, everyone else is doing it.
The thing I don't understand is this,
How on earth did pinball prices get so high if no one can make a profit on pinball machines?
Your precious tz,af,bbb,mb would still be worth original retail minus depreciation.
:S)Shame on you for trying to make money on me. I only bend over for Hugh corporate entity's. Not guys having fun trying to support their hobby
Based on what is posted on Spooky's website it makes it seem that refunds of deposits are not generally offered unless there is a hardship. I know this is contrary to what KT posted yesterday but in thinking back I don't ever recall being told that refunds were an option for deposits or that they were still filling game orders from a waitlist.
Here is the info from Spooky's page:
Q – What if I change my mind after I make my deposit? Do I get it back?
A – Here’s the deal… we aren’t a big company with buckets of cash, so when you make your deposit, BE CONFIDENT IN YOUR PURCHASE! All games here are basically made per order… From the first day at Spooky Pinball LLC, when we take a deposit it automatically goes directly into funding your game. Please don’t put a deposit down because our games are “limited” and you want to hold a spot in line. We pride ourselves in NOT showing games until they are nearly or fully complete so you know what you’re getting before you commit. Once your deposit is made, we consider the game yours, and you should do the same. We have had a couple customers “sell their spot in line” to friends, and we will work with you if something comes up that creates hardships… but again, your deposit is a commitment to buy, so please treat it as such.
Quoted from MikeS:Based on what is posted on Spooky's website it makes it seem that refunds of deposits are not generally offered unless there is a hardship. I know this is contrary to what KT posted yesterday but in thinking back I don't ever recall being told that refunds were an option for deposits or that they were still filling game orders from a waitlist.
Here is the info from Spooky's page:
Q – What if I change my mind after I make my deposit? Do I get it back?
A – Here’s the deal… we aren’t a big company with buckets of cash, so when you make your deposit, BE CONFIDENT IN YOUR PURCHASE! All games here are basically made per order… From the first day at Spooky Pinball LLC, when we take a deposit it automatically goes directly into funding your game. Please don’t put a deposit down because our games are “limited” and you want to hold a spot in line. We pride ourselves in NOT showing games until they are nearly or fully complete so you know what you’re getting before you commit. Once your deposit is made, we consider the game yours, and you should do the same. We have had a couple customers “sell their spot in line” to friends, and we will work with you if something comes up that creates hardships… but again, your deposit is a commitment to buy, so please treat it as such.
that was always my impression also. I actually think they should have a specific policy of either NO refunds on deposits or possibly 50% refund on deposits. That would not scare people off but only seems fair IMO.
Quoted from MikeS:Yep. A couple more years' and the kid should be ready! I think he would dominate if there was an under 3 year old category. He already knows how to trap and can actually aim to hit shots. He's never really been a shotgun flipper which is unusual for people starting out.
RZ is an adult game - don't think I would have in house if had kids under 10.
Another free bump to the top
Quoted from Whysnow:yeah, metallica is comical in stylings/art and kids seems to love the cartoon sparky getting shocked. Nothing really scary on Metallica.
Agreed... just make sure the "adult mode" is disabled around them, too!
Quoted from MikeS:Having kids is the best thing that happened to me but they do change your life more than you can ever imagine!
damn man, you are starting to scare me now....
Quoted from ZenTron:Whysnow, Do you think Metallica is kid/infant friendly?
(Knowing a child is afraid of a monkey on the backglass of Strange Science)
Technically every game is Infant friendly, because they don't give a shit what's going on.
Quoted from KingPinGames:damn man, you are starting to scare me now....
You just wait until Chloe is mobile and can talk back . You're on easy street right now bud!
Quoted from MikeS:You just wait until Chloe is mobile and can talk back
If he only knew..... LOL... this thread will make him look back and remember the "good ole days"....
Quoted from MikeS:When I made the deposit on RZ I was under the impression that my refund was non-refundable as it was never stated as such.
Spooky indicated from the beginning they would be ok with refunds if needed without a time limit.
Quoted from lordloss:I wonder if spooky will let me pre order 10 games and bail if I can't upsell his games for him and take the profits.
However, Spooky does frown on this practice. They have been clear they want to sell single games to individuals who want to keep it, meaning they prefer to give a refund so the next person on the waiting list gets a game. If they start getting abused by speculators, you can imagine many of the customer friendly practices will start getting thrown out the window.
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