Insane price. May be the highest WCS ever on pinside.

Yes, high price but this pinball is beautiful! I have seen it in person and it looks brand new. If you want a really really nice WCS, it’s worth the price!
GLWTS!

You should see the insane priced quicksilver on pinside that has ugly powder coat and orange peel that would make a fruit envious.

Pins are just getting stupid expensive.

Price is dependent on condition. Would you pay say 2K to 3 over the typical Pinside price for a methodically reconditioned/HUO looking 1990's B/W game? Some will ,some will not. I for one am in the yes I would camp for the right title. Getting one of these games in pristine condition is some peoples' goal. They can put it in their game room and play/admire it immediately. Others would rather buy a typical condition/price game clean it up, put on some new ramps and Leds and be very happy.
This is not one of the titles that I am interested in, but it is a really fun, family oriented game that would be a suburb family Christmas present.
A very transparent seller here as well , which I appreciate. Good luck to the seller and I am sure a future happy new owner.

Should have a cleared playfield and new decals for this price.

6k?!!!

Well said Mike!
The price of pinball parts are increasing as pinball machine prices increase. Bottom line is things are getting more expensive. Long gone are the good old days. Now you have to pay for what you get. Again, I have seen this in person and it shines! Well worth a bottom line price of $5,500.
Mike is a great guy and seller!
GLWTS!

Your explanation is fine and absolutely logical. I never expect to get much, if any, labor or parts that I dump into a game. Doesn't mean I won't do it, but I never expect to get my time out of it for sure. I hope you get something close to what you want for it. There are very few HEP like sellers that can demand certain prices. Of course the price would probably be over 10K for a HEP game. As long as this game is worth it to ONE buyer, you are good.

I can vouch for Michael's work. Second to none. He makes games bullet proof, especially from a working perspective. GLWTS!

Only the choice in machines, really. And not because the machine isn't a good/fun one...

just because doing all of that work and ONLY expecting $500 in profit for time and money spent is insane, imo. And choosing a WCS94 precludes you asking what you should for this kind of effort.

But - God Bless You. The only way people will ever see these things in this kind of condition is through efforts like yours, really. Love seeing the restoration work done by those here on the Forums.

GLWS - I actually had Mike Chestnut do a complete brass hardware upfit on mine (got the parts 2 weeks before he passed). Repinned every connector in the game, new plastics, etc. Even colorDMD, mirrored translite, and PDI!!

Can't even begin to imagine the $$$ and time I spent on this game. It now looks and plays perfectly...is it worth it? For me - yes. Game is still enjoyed by everyone it seems, including me.

Do I expect to get the $$$ back? Who knows....

i'll tell you what's insane... the group thinking on this site, that the only games worth restoring and commanding a huge price tag are the one's we see everyday on Pinside. World Cup is not only every bit as fun to play, and beautiful as the collector-deemed 'A' titles, but the reality is it's actually JPop's best game, hands down. I applaud the OP's work and forthcoming explanation, which as he said, he didn't owe any of you. I'd take this game any day of the week over an Addams, especially if I only had one game I can play all day. Anyone who says otherwise, only says so because they fear the wrath of the collector community kangaroo court.

6k for a faded and drilled cab WCS??

You didn't restore, you did a nice shop job.

exactly.

Always going to be some lovers and some haters!

Whenever you ask top dollar, people bust out the magnifying glass. Should be expected.

$6001 by Xmas!!!

The word “Restore” is a tough one when it comes to pinball machines. It seems everybody has a different mental picture of a restored game. Restore should mean return to new condition. Everything in the game. To go through a game and replace anything that it needs, polish it up and make it look as close to new as possible then ad the must have mods goes way beyond a shop job. Calling it shopped just doesn’t cut it. So what word really describes something like this? Very nice game shopped and moded?

Why not just list games at "firm" prices instead of listing it and expecting less? I wish I had pulled the trigger when you originally listed it, but $2700 was a tad high for me and $2500 was right around my limit. At least I know to talk you down now! The LAH I bought from you a couple years back played great the entire time I had it, and I'm sure this game is beautiful and you'll enjoy keeping it if it doesn't sell.

I have to say, this is a good market right now to dip your toe in restoring non "A" list pins. Seems like prices across the board are way up and you really do add value, more so than a retailer that just does a normal shop job if you are lucky.

And remember, these guys are very small sample of the pinball community at large, and your game is only worth what one person is willing to pay for it. So no price is really too high or too low.

Actually, this thread is very mild for price police, largely do to your good attitude. This is not an immamaculate Baywatch thread.

I’m genuinely curious if there is a benefit listing as either FIRM or negotiable. Never gave it much thought myself...but I don’t sell tons of games.

Good luck Michael- I’m sure you and your family will enjoy it. Great game and simple enough for everyone to enjoy. I’d have taken it at $5400. Just kidding.

It doesn’t matter. I’ve priced games “firm” and people still try to negotiate.

Serious question, would you take a used Stern/AP/Remake between 4.5k to 5.5k or a refurbished b/c-list 90s game? The price may make sense in relation to what's invested but maybe not to what else you can get in that price range. I liked my WCS when I had it, paid 2.5 and sold for 2.8, players condition but I'm not sure the fun to price ratio, even fully restored, would be worth anything north of 4k. Again that's just me and maybe someone has as nostalgic connection to the game and it's worth more to them. I hope you sell it for what you want, not trying to price police, just have a discussion. I've switched my buying habits to mostly NIB and HUO newer games because the price on the used market has closed the gap and made the jump up easier.

Good question. If I was really into soccer and this IS the game I'm looking for, maybe. Personally, no, but there is a market for everyone. BTW, I've never seen an AP or CGC for sale locally. Modern routed Sterns are barely below retail.

You called?

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Ugh. I hate "flipper talk". 25-30 hours is the norm when you buy a crusty pin that needs a full shop job. Most of us have done it many times. It's not that big a deal. And it's pretty much obligatory for a collector to get their new pin working 100%. Nice pin, but not worth 2x the norm I'm afraid. Maybe if it had a restored cabinet and new playfield, but maybe not even then.

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It is a beautiful game. High end examples like this aren't for everyone, but realistically...you only need 1 person that's into it to sell.

It's a really nice pin, so I don't see it as "lipstick on a pig." Pinballs can be very personal, so I say fix/mod them to your liking.

You're right. No one here spends big bucks on pins.

WCS is a cracking pin, great flow, awesome sound and callouts and a good ruleset. Soccer is clearly not a huge theme in the US, and neither is it in Australia, but that doesn't bother me, it's just damn fun, and thats what pinball is all about. I have no doubt, that if WCS, JM and TS had better themes they'd be considered 'A' titles. There is a reason Bowen Kerins has owned WCS for such a long time. What it's worth though the market will determine I suppose.

Good luck selling... or not

Don’t be so sure... there are a lot of Pinside ghosts that do not post but they buy that special pin that is in near perfect condition for top dollar.

That’s why all the way overpriced pins sell so quickly when they get listed here.

Adding $x parts and labor doesn’t make ANYTHING worth its value + $x. It’s always only worth its value.

PokerJake nailed it when he said:

At $5500 you’re competing with nearly new games. Better code, better video, better sound, far newer parts throughout.

Agree with the Shopped Vs the Restored comments. Restored to me means every bracket/screw/nut powder coated or new lol. Wiring harness in the washing machine the whole 9 yards.... plus the kitchen sink. 89% new parts.

Anywho... FIRST of all if you got WCS for 2200 that is WOW' Granted any issues it had... To sell a working WCS for $2700 is about as low as it gets. I know I looked for years until a friend sold me theirs for around same price.

The problem here is OLD vs New. Simple as that. If someone offered me a restored Adams family worth 10k or lets say most stern LE games around 8k I would still go with the new game every time.

So with saying that unfortunately as someone said something is only worth what someone is willing to pay. I don't think the price is crazy but you have moved from a generic buyer category until a right person for the right pin category. Don't think listing it on Pinside was a bad idea and don't think you should be concerned about how long it sits until you find the right buyer that grew up with that pin or it means something special to them. Obviously your not ripping anyone off but you are making some money and it was a money motivated choice to shop and flip. I'm NOT sure your sincerity comes across for the love for the game as to me it seems you just got a killer deal put some elbow grease into it and tried to capitalize on the exploding pinball used market by posting here and other sites. Capitalism and more power to you Yes its true covid has everyone building home entertainment arcades and mancaves, I have many of friends ask me about the world of pinball as they envision a machine in there basement which is kind of ironic to this post since most non pinball people think these machines cost around 500 dollars HAHA... Then when I tell them a basic playing machine is about $2500 they get that funny look on their face and pucker all up like they put their tongue on a battery...

To the OP .. dude you did good work.. and hope you get what your asking. However you have moved into selective sales at this point so don't expect a quick return on your money Which I'm sure I'm not saying anything you don't know... honestly I'm bored , sitting here drinking my morning coffee and figured I would offer my two cents which means squat lol..

Far as WCS damn great game.. as another said if you had that machine over in Europe or bigger Football nations it would sell in a heartbeat. Machine is super fun just the theme kills it. We all know if that game would have been more of a American theme it would be up there with the greats.

I make mods for games and even I'm sitting around looking at mine and saying to myself F$K how am I suppose to work with this theme lol. I want to order a Pinsound board for mine and there is a reason there is no homebrew sound packages for it. Its just a damn hard theme to work with.. probably why they picked the Warner Brother created striker mascot to try and work the theme into... get that USA mascot into a USA created machine and hope for better sales. Obviously the It sold pretty good as how many they made.

Rant over , and hey this kept me entertained for a few min so thanks for the interesting topic OP Maybe you can sell it to Robert Duvall up there in horse country haha..

Good luck op, you're gonna need it

Mike always sells top quality machines. Is this for the bottom dollar bargain hunter, nope.. But if you want a machine you know is going to last and if you want a machine from a seller that is going to always support you than this is the deal. I challange you to find one person who has not been 100% satified with anything related to Purcellville Pinball... Haters alwasy going to hate! Keep up the great work Mike!!

And you know all the pins that get sold here and what they go for....

Ill bet somebody could buy this and route it for year or less and get a big chunk of their money back then take it home and put it in the collection. WCSs are played to death here in Denver.

You shouldn’t expect to get your money back for parts or mods. Let’s say you spend $20,000 in parts making it perfect - should you expect to get that back? There’s a ceiling for a reason.

The general market doesn’t support $6K for this title. That’s the only consideration.

No, looking back through the thread I didn't do that.

Bump.

Nice work, but not restored. This had a very thorough shop job. Problem with this is a minty huo would sell for less. For most of us that would be far more desireable.