still. When you are buying big money items you negotiate. When you watch american pickers and they are buying cars. You see the car go back and forth $1000's and they are usually around 5k under what he wanted by the time they are done. $500 and delivered and setup on a 9k item is peanuts. Hell, i've negotiated $500 off a $900 game before. Have to be willing to move, or state the price is firm and you will not listen to anything under. People will still throw offers at you. Doesn't hurt to try. I get offers for some of my games, and don't even have them for sale. Don't know unless you ask.

If it makes you feel better, I can shoot you a price I think WOZ is worth and then the 8500 will feel a lot better.

maybe we should use a negative term and just call it pinside.

That shooter rod is so pinside. You can keep it if you want.