Game will be shopped by time sale happens. Whysnow please stop posting in every one of my threads Jesus Christ youre like that fly that won't stop buzzing. Most people suggested around 4-4200. I'm not in a rush to move these. Maybe I'll keep the topper and sell the game for less of it doesn't move at this price but I have interest at this price point. My donation just ran out, and quite frankly there's too many pests on here right now for me to even consider donating ATM

You have to start somewhere. As I already have had interest at the price point I would be stupid to lower it until I am no longer having interest. This is a business for me not a hobby. Go into alpha or big toys and see what they are asking for a Hook (3200) a monster bash (15000) etc. For a company who sells pins I am more than reasonable. I'm not the person who plays it a while loses a few hundred and is fine with it because I got to play it. You should understand that. Used car dealers; same thing. Could sell a car for 3500-4000 but they are going to list it at the high end incase they find someone interested at that price.

Thanks rock. My donation just expired. I understand your point about if it helps me sell something than donate; but I'm on the fence still. You should want to donate because you feel good being on this site not just because it helps you sell things. Craigslist helps you sel things too but no one donates. I don't get the feel good vibe here. If you think you should donate just because you sold a pin here than charge a fee to post in the marketplace which I would be fine with, or charge a fee to be a member here which I also would be fine with. There's about 4-5 peopl here who troll constantly me and others and they cost this site a lot of money. I would donate 100$ per pin sold if they weren't constantly bugging me. Which means I would have probably donated thousands had I never came in contact with these people. I understand robin has nothing to do with these select people but this is just how I feel. I probably will donate again but right now I don't like the few people that troll me here so I am still on the fence.

Notice Dante hasn't donated, but he contributes to this site losing thousands as I don't donate for every pin I sell here because of people like him.

I don't take it personal. The game will sell, no sweat off my back. If you look at your posts all you do is troll this site. All day every day. Did any of those nicer examples sell in Michigan? Nope. Find me a similar conditon white water for low threes please. Also do you really think people care what you think about games? Do you think you're some God of pinball that people actually care what you have to say? Sorry to tell you having a few pinballs doesn't make you a trained eye and you are not the KBB of pinball. I have bought a medevil madness recently for 3k, does that mean every one will sell at that price? There are deals to be had sometimes and other times people will just pay asking because they want something and can see it with their own eyes in person. You are one of those people that look all day long online for good deals on pinballs aka why you know about a whitewater on colorado craigalist lmao. Other people want to buy from a business as they don't trust people like you.

I said it just expired they are good for a year.

Cool rock. I know all that. I am shopping the pin, I listed it before hand as sometimes you'll have someone who wants to shop these out themselves and put leds etc. This has been in a home environment for 15 years and it didn't get played a lot. It doesn't have a ton of grime on the Playfield it's not going to be a tough shop job. The only areas that have ball trails are places you can't get to without removing Ramps or on some of the Ramps which will come right out upon disassembly. Just taking apart the pin is the most time taking of the shopping. I am not in a rush to sell any of my games. So if someone wants it unshopped I would take a few hundred off like I should, or I'll shop it in the meantime and that's fine too. Notice how I never post negative on anyone else's threads? Just the kind of person I am. I'll defend myself but I am not going to post on other people's threads just to be an ass. Why would anyone do that? I don't have time to do that. I get one 8 hour window a week off work I'm not going to spend it trolling people I don't know.

Just time constraints. Have 1200 pieces on location to tend to, home service calls, and I own a couple businesses to run. Can't redecal things takes too much time for what it's worth to me. If you didn't read up higher, it will be shopped before sale. That's about all I have time for on pins. We're a two man company with all this to do. Just opened a fun center in jackson as well. Can't hire anyone as no one around here knows how to fix and operate these things. Also never good to trust people with keys to your money boxes. 25% of businesses I have had games in have stolen once they got their hands on the keys. Or the keys magically get lost and you have problems down the road.

hardly ever have a pinball sit for more than a few months.

If you didn't read earlier I haven't sold a whitewater in a while. I figured I would ask to not be badgered when I listed it. A website would do nothing for me my average turn around on games like redemption, racers, megatouches is most times days I'll get a truck of 50 in and more then half leave the shop the same day to go to other operators or home owners who already know what I'm getting in and have paid for it. I sell 99% local so website would be more waste than good. Had I not asked for price I would have listed it for 4200 which is what I would take for the game. Always list things a few hundred more than the number you'll take as sometimes you'll get that buyer at asking.

The crazy thing is without operators / dealers like me there would be no hobbyists. There was a time when no one collected pinballs like they do now. The only games gottlieb, Bally, Williams, sega etc were selling was to operators. The industry was dead. We were buying getaways, bop, jm, for 5-600 used. Tz and Addams for 1600. That's why all the manufacturers sold their factories / stopped making pins.

Yet you come back to post not knowing me. You don't seem to know a lot seeing as you sent me a random payment for a pin you were buying from someone else. Get with the program bud

Anyhow back on topic I will take 4200 on this pin.

The point is If I was trying to cheat anyone or was dishonest why would I send your funds back? Don't act like you know what you're doing in life / talking about if you can't even get funds to the right email address. And as you say you're not going to argue with me clearly that's what you're doing. Do you know me? Nope. So every point you make has no validity. You guys want to price police me I'm not going to sit here and just lay down. I act just how I would in a real life situation. Funny thing is no one has ever said anything to my face and 90% of buyers take the game they are looking for home with them. You guys are all Internet tough guys. What have I done besides post a pinball for sale? Defend myself. All I get are trolls here. People who post on my for sale threads with no intention of buying. What's the point of that? You guys just bring down the site. Do you think I would ever go on any of your for sale threads and post? No. That would be stupid. At least 100 pinsiders have bought pinballs from me either directly on the site or indirectly from other places I have these for sale. The only person who has ever complained is keith who bought a POTC without looking it over enough. He got it home it had a few problems that I didn't know about as I had got the game in the same day he bought it. I went back, shoveled his driveway and walk and swapped him a different POTC. What they need here is to charge 20$ to post in the market and the forum without the ability of anyone else being able to post. If people have problems with a seller have a sub forum to point out the bad sellers. That would stop all this thread crapping that people do. As it does no good for someone to post on a for sale thread of they don't have interest in the machine. I know there is a marketplace where you can post only there but not as many people see the ad there imho. It would generate more money for robin and it would stop the trolls. This forum is supposed to be about pinball not thread crapping on for sale ads.

Too bad valpo got ousted. Made 50 dimes on the Maryland moneyline. They played well though.

I had indiana moneyline as well for 10 dimes that didn't come through after witchita played so well vs them I took them today moneyline and ATS vs kansas. They played so well with cotton being in foul trouble the whole game vs Indy that I knew they would play well vs KU. They have been trying to schedule that game with KU for years and finally got their chance today.

Nah man I'm done with the drama it gets neither of us anywhere. Sorry for even going at it with you. I don't know you and you're probably a good guy. So am I, I just let people's words get to me more than I should and sometimes don't know how to take criticism as I feel people telling me how to run my own business isn't right. But I'm going to take it as a grain of salt. I do price my pinballs higher than some would like them but I have no problem taking offers or lowering them to move them. I'm all about turn over. Rather make a buck a million times than wait around trying to make a million once. I just don't want to short change myself as when I bought them back from the guy I gave him fair prices as I always do.

I could be headed there. Another guy wants whitewater in ohio, so possibly. Need any redemption, shooting, keymasters, winners cubes, cranes, pretty much anything else?

And this guy has no idea what he's even talking about. Look at his posts. He just follows me around I think he has some kind of crush on me honestly. He didn't look at the game he was buying long enough, it had some cracked plastics. I brought him another of the same game and he still wanted money. Sent money still trolls me. If you can't guess he's a tedious desk lawyer.

Thank you!

Thanks john.

I'm sad you got that pinball machines neon though that thing was cool!

Yes we have another one I thought you bought that says "pinball machines" in all red. Also have another says " showroom open". We do still have that Budweiser carousel. He would probably sell it for
500. Idk if that's a deal or high priced. They are old and used to fetch 1000$ idk what they get anymore.

Im 28 years old. Retirement long away. Some pieces are 5-6k a lot of good redemption stuff is 1k such as stackers cranes time busters etc. When I took over the business we had 600 games. Some places have 30k on games and make 800 total in two weeks. Some have thre pieces and make 200$ every day. It's hit and miss. I split all the money three ways my dad, me, company. So yes I make a very good living but nowhere near time to retire. We do have over 1.5mil in equipment though, yes. I couldn't live off 500k. I spend 200-500k a year between living and updating equipment.

No I couldn't live off 500 the years I put 300 of it back into new equipment and bills / repairs. If I open up one fun center a year that's 80k+ alone. If I go used games. I gamble too much as well and no rehab is when you gamble more than you can afford to lose. Lifetime I am way up. I buy stupid toys when I hit.

$4100 price drop.

no im actually one of the 1% who profit on games / poker / craps.

Games being sports.

I don't need help lmao I love it it's my favorite hobby. I don't mind losing a few thousand here and there the losses are nothing compared to the wins. I just love playing. Hit 50k on ohio state moneyline vs Oregon this year. When you have money to spend you don't need help. It's when you don't have money and spend it that's where you have a problem. Floyd may weather bets 1 million on games does he have a problem? Yes, too much money is his problem.

Considering I dropped the price to 4100 already I would agree. I have Intrrest in all the pins right now maybe even a bulk buy happening. Fish tales already went to a pinsider.

Yes I try to make every dollar I can on sales or buying them to resell would Be pointless. Regardless of what I do in my personal life im going to make any extra dollar I can on the business side. My normal wager is 500-1000 a game but when you get up big and can only withdraw 2500 a week you make bigger bets. I do double or nothing bets a lot when I'm up all profit.

You guys must be bored in life to still be following my for sale thread and posting nonsense. Maybe you guys are the ones that need help.

Funny because every pinsider I talk to out of here says how sad you guys are and that you are just losers posting because you have nothing better to do.

I make a post happily telling someone I won a bet vs their hometown and now you guys think you're my accountant or financial advisor lmao. Good tries. Also It takes a matter of minutes to check on these threads on my phone. It's always pulled up in a window.

Also about ten people, four of which you all consider highly respectable pinball people have pmed me just to tell me they don't sell anymore on here or even come on here anymore because of people like you. Ruining the hobby. And to the guy who said operators /dealers kills the industry; you are far far from right. Why do you think companies went out of business? Pins were not making money any longer on route, operators started using video pokers and other games instead. This led to way less new games being bought from the manufacturers. Hardly anyone collected pinballs back then. My dad said there was the occasional 1 machine in a basement but nothing like the collectors now. And back then he was doing home service 50 hours a week, he seen ALOT of what people had in their houses. All the way from Indiana to ohio and in Michigan.

Even if I am who the hell are you and what does it have to do with pinside or selling a pinball? Get a life.

I don't live in roseville, that's where the shop is... :$

3800 it's at expo now

3700 for white water!

Thanks Aaron. You my friend kick ass at pinball!

Morning bump 3700

3700 bump on whitewater. May have a buyer but they havent responded back today yet so still for sale.

Thanks

$3700

$3600 price drop!

I would have to call a couple of my sources. Let me check around Paul, shoot me a pm to remind me tomorrow

Game is spoken for

Deal fell through it is still available. First 3500 gets it.

Okay last price drop or I think im going to trade it away. $3400. Lowest cash price I can accept.

Thanks

Game has sold thank you.