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For sale: White Water Superb Restore

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4 months ago


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    #101 4 months ago

    What’s the point of one way feedback??

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    #102 4 months ago
    Quoted from ToucanF16:

    Yep, much to my disappointment Pinside has gone the way of eBay and Amazon. Everything‘s happy feely touchy good! No bad vibes. We don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings here (Or spread the word about

    Good to know that feedback is now completely meaningless.

    Scammers will be loving this.

    #103 4 months ago
    Quoted from woody76:

    He should have put this chrome kit he sold on it. Chrome looks amazing with a fresh blue cab
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whitewater-pinball-chrome-dress-up-kit-

    But then that snazzy coin box wouldn't match! LOL

    #104 4 months ago
    Quoted from High_End_Pins:

    Anyone that knows me and my work knows I wouldn’t build anything that looks like that. Even by request I would refuse it.
    losangeles.craigslist.org link

    My first thought when I saw this was, "There is no way Chris would agree to those colors!"

    I have been looking for a nice WH20 for awhile, with sending one to HEP as an option. If the seller hadn't misrepresented the game, used less, uhhh *bold* powder coat and lighting options, and had it priced at a reasonable level... I might have been interested!

    #105 4 months ago
    Quoted from Soulrider911:

    What’s the point of one way feedback??

    With no recourse, the risk of a sight unseen sale is getting pretty high on here. Your just stuck if you buy that "Pandora's Box" of lights.

    #106 4 months ago

    Oh come on now! Lmao crazy keeps on keeping on

    #107 4 months ago

    Someone buy this

    #108 4 months ago
    Quoted from ToucanF16:

    Yep, Robin caved and much to my disappointment Pinside has gone the way of eBay and Amazon. Everything‘s happy feely touchy good! No bad vibes. We don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings here (or spread the word about unscrupulous sellers)

    Look at all these happy quips about this machine! Pinside is such a wonderful, positive, welcoming community!

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    #109 4 months ago
    Quoted from ToucanF16:

    Yep, Robin caved and much to my disappointment Pinside has gone the way of eBay and Amazon. Everything‘s happy feely touchy good! No bad vibes. We don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings here (or spread the word about unscrupulous sellers)

    Fuck that.......everyone gets a trophy...yea!

    #110 4 months ago

    Dropping negative feedback is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

    Still can't believe that's real.

    #111 4 months ago

    Sale pending....shows you how much we know.

    Still -- market for a CGC remake?

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    #112 4 months ago
    Quoted from dr_nybble:

    Sale pending....shows you how much we know.

    Not like these sales are verified.

    Probably just a big F-you from the seller to this discussion.

    #113 4 months ago
    Quoted from altan:

    Not like these sales are verified.
    Probably just a big F-you from the seller to this discussion.

    Agreed. When the CL ad is deleted (and doesn't just get relisted), I might be inclined to think they found a buyer. They're claiming sold on the listing, but we'll see.

    losangeles.craigslist.org link

    #114 4 months ago
    Quoted from dr_nybble:

    Sale pending....shows you how much we know.

    LOL! As a WH2O owner yourself, I am sure you wish that were the case.

    #115 4 months ago
    Quoted from pinlink:

    LOL! As a WH2O owner yourself, I am sure you wish that were the case.

    Thanks for the downvote for simply mentioning the updated title of this post.

    I have no plans to sell mine. In fact, I have never sold any of my pins. But I wouldn't mind upgrading to a CGC remake.

    #116 4 months ago
    Quoted from dr_nybble:

    Sale pending....shows you how much we know.
    Still -- market for a CGC remake?

    Not unless they can get the topper figured out.

    #117 4 months ago
    Quoted from cosmokramer:

    Isnt using "HEP" incorrectly what chased xTheBlackKnightx off this site?
    He claimed that HEP was an industry standard term to describe pins...

    IMO if it is capitalized it would seem that the intent is there. High End versus high end.

    #118 4 months ago
    Quoted from Soulrider911:

    What are the sellers motives here? I would be very curious to know.

    i may be able to help you, the motive is to get the most amount of money for his / her game by possibly misrepresenting the quality of work that has been done on the machine.

    #119 4 months ago

    Thank you for the response to my question about the feedback. As a newer member of this particular forum (but not new to pinball or collecting machines), I was unaware that feedback can only be positive. I think this is a nice board overall, but find this particular feature unfortunate. I also find it unfortunate that with archived listing, so few (less than 10% in some cases) indicate the sale price.

    As someone interested in adding a couple of new machines, these limitations make it difficult to make purchasing decisions.

    #120 4 months ago

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    #121 4 months ago

    So that means with only positives allowed, everyone's feedback score is 100%, just like the seller of this machine?

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    #122 4 months ago
    Quoted from Soulrider911:

    What’s the point of one way feedback??

    "The answer to all your questions; Is Money"

    #123 4 months ago

    the price machines sell for should always be disclosed to help the next buyer and seller! not being able to leave negative feedback is nonsense as well. I am really disappointed that this is the route they have taken, this needs to be changed asap.

    #124 4 months ago
    Quoted from pinlink:

    Dropping negative feedback is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
    Still can't believe that's real.

    I didn't know that. How unfortunate.

    #125 4 months ago

    Robin needs to hear this. How are we supposed to complete our due diligence if there’s only positive feedback on everyone? Maybe start PMing Robin to add the option back.

    #126 4 months ago
    Quoted from ToucanF16:

    Robin needs to hear this..

    Already knows it, he invented it...you posted in the thread

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/negative-recommendations-feature-removed

    #127 4 months ago
    Quoted from robin:

    Just to be clear: it IS still possible to leave either positive or negative ad-related feedback (when you're invited to leave it, AFTER a sale). It's also still possible to leave a positive recommendation (unsolicited), although the subject Pinsider will get the option to remove this in case it contains details they don't want disclosed. And of course there's always the forum where you can share your stories of bad transactions

    I don’t see the problem. If you complete a sale with someone, you’ll get the option to leave positive or negative feedback. Seems reasonable to me.

    #128 4 months ago

    yep, I voiced my opinion already. I think you can still leave negative feedback on a sold ad but he removed ALL past negative ads which is stupid.

    #129 4 months ago
    Quoted from jgelman:

    Thank you for the response to my question about the feedback. As a newer member of this particular forum (but not new to pinball or collecting machines), I was unaware that feedback can only be positive. I think this is a nice board overall, but find this particular feature unfortunate. I also find it unfortunate that with archived listing, so few (less than 10% in some cases) indicate the sale price.
    As someone interested in adding a couple of new machines, these limitations make it difficult to make purchasing decisions.

    I am with you on the sale price feature. It should make you list the sale price.

    #130 4 months ago

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tz-sold-on-pinside-amount-private-why-disservice

    I inquired about the issue of the sale price seldom being disclosed. Seems like that is a way a lot of members want it. I just personally find it unfortunate that this is how it is.

    On the no negative feedback allowed issue, I think if you don't allow negative feedback you should not allow feedback at all, but that is just my own opinion.

    For this particular classified, I think the misrepresentation of it being HEP is the main issue. To me that is a deal breaker regardless of price or any other factors. It is my understanding that a machine should not be called HEP even if restored by Chris if that restoration was before his skills evolved and standards increased to where his restorations started to be given the "HEP" label.

    #131 4 months ago
    Quoted from ToucanF16:

    Robin needs to hear this. How are we supposed to complete our due diligence if there’s only positive feedback on everyone? Maybe start PMing Robin to add the option back.

    Yes, how can you let people know. I bought a machine. From a particular fellow. Come to find out it is a hack, job mess. Say it’s only worth half. How would you help protect others from a deal like that? Honest review is always the best policy. If the seller then is not happy he can give a partial refund and buyer can update the review. That simple!

    #132 4 months ago

    I have a white water. I am restoring. White water is a hard machine to work on. With new ramps and mountains. It’s has been tough getting all new parts to work with some of the old ones. This fellow has a nice machine for sale. A safe color to use for powder coat is gonna be black. GLWS

    #133 4 months ago
    Quoted from jgelman:

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tz-sold-on-pinside-amount-private-why-disservice
    I inquired about the issue of the sale price seldom being disclosed. Seems like that is a way a lot of members want it. I just personally find it unfortunate that this is how it is.
    On the no negative feedback allowed issue, I think if you don't allow negative feedback you should not allow feedback at all, but that is just my own opinion.
    For this particular classified, I think the misrepresentation of it being HEP is the main issue. To me that is a deal breaker regardless of price or any other factors. It is my understanding that a machine should not be called HEP even if restored by Chris if that restoration was before his skills evolved and standards increased to where his restorations started to be given the "HEP" label.

    There are a ton of ways to get a good idea of price. A simple price check thread will give you a good idea. But, pricing is variable. Machine condition, region, trends, relationships between buyer/seller, etc. A ton of factors can influence price. Frankly, I've never found the issue you're raising to be an issue. You can ballpark just about any machine with the information we all have access to.

    #134 4 months ago
    Quoted from 27dnast:

    There are a ton of ways to get a good idea of price. A simple price check thread will give you a good idea. But, pricing is variable. Machine condition, region, trends, relationships between buyer/seller, etc. A ton of factors can influence price. Frankly, I've never found the issue you're raising to be an issue. You can ballpark just about any machine with the information we all have access to.

    All true, but I think what most people want to know is if the wildly overpriced machines that show up actually sell at or near their batshit crazy pricing.

    #135 4 months ago
    Quoted from Leeb18509:

    All true, but I think what most people want to know is if the wildly overpriced machines that show up actually sell at or near their batshit crazy pricing.

    I’ve had a ton of success just pm-ing a seller.

    #136 4 months ago
    Quoted from Leeb18509:

    All true, but I think what most people want to know is if the wildly overpriced machines that show up actually sell at or near their batshit crazy pricing.

    Unfortunately, lots of the crazy priced stuff has been selling this year. It is crazy to see the madness. $10k Stern POTC, $12k Funhouse, $25k Tron, $18k WOZ yellow, $35k JJP POTC, $2000 pins selling for $5k +, the list goes on and on. It will be interesting to see if they hold their value over the next couple years. I am going to say no, but we will see.

    #137 4 months ago
    Quoted from woody76:

    lots of the crazy priced stuff has been selling this year.

    Or dishonest people have figured out Pinside can be used to lend some perceived validity to completely BS claimed prices.

    At this point unless I know one of the parties involved I don’t believe any number claimed here.

    #138 4 months ago

    I think the discussion should be continued.

    Quoted from 27dnast:

    I don’t see the problem. If you complete a sale with someone, you’ll get the option to leave positive or negative feedback. Seems reasonable to me.

    Not totally true. I’ve had instances where a sale didn’t go through because of unscrupulous dealings by the seller. There should be a way to leave negative feedback on these situations to protect other Pinsiders. The way it’s set up now you have to complete a sale before given an opportunity to leave negative feedback. Robin suggested starting a forum post to discuss questionable sellers (or buyers), but then we’d have to dig through all the forum to do our due diligence on a seller. All that said, I’ve never left negative feedback , but think I should have the option.

    #139 4 months ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    Or dishonest people have figured out Pinside can be used to lend some perceived validity to completely BS claimed prices.
    At this point unless I know one of the parties involved I don’t believe any number claimed here.

    It really is hard to believe

    #140 4 months ago

    forgot this was a FS thread for a min. Bump!

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    #141 3 months ago

    Sale p(ret)ending

    #142 3 months ago

    It seems prices are up on everything after Covid. This includes pins, collector cars and of course gas. It will change for sure at some point.

    #143 3 months ago

    Sale pending for a while . Either fake or too cheap to pay the fee

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