Great price if looking for one.

If you listen to the buyers of this game, its the best. Not sure why this has not sold yet.

Buyers of wildly expensive games that they buy sight unseen are usually upbeat. Fortunately, there are some honest people...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/toy-story-pinball-you-in-or-out/page/41#post-7059620

I'm sure this game will find a market, but it's arguably much less than the community was expecting.

I just love that the flippers are going to be stuck on this title.

10k by Christmas!

Guess You just have to find the bottom number if it will eventually rise??? Doesn't seem to be $14K.

Problem is if You buy it and wait do You have tax and shipping?

What’s funny is that if JJP had added a $200 toy to the CE, like a moving Slinky Dog or a crane, those CE’s would be north of $20k already.

Penny wise, pound foolish.

JJP doesn’t care. They sold through to Distro’s all their CE’s. It’s going to be the distro’s who will feel this pain as they sit on $15k CE’s that nobody wants.

In the history of pinball there’s never Been a “$200 toy” included in a pinball machine.

If Pinside ran a pinball company they’d be tits up in a week.

Make it $2000 or $20. My point still stands. I thought it was clear.

I think they will start to care if distributors can't move these games at current prices, then distributors will stop buying their games in the future.

Just like JJP has been time and time again.

Auto manufacturers do rebates when the market is not good for their vehicle or ZERO percent financing. Maybe a $2000 rebate on TS4?

These will sell out eventually and cost more than MSRP. They always do. Some take longer than others

I'll put up $100 bet in 90 days these won't be bringing MSRP. Too many good games being made and plenty of inventory out there.

You can buy a Wonka LE for $10,500 modded and it appears to be a well liked game.

Look at what's happened to DP and Godzilla Premium pricing. There's plenty of availability out there of games that are desired.

JJP missed the crazy pricing by a year.

Who's talking 90 days?

It took years for POTC to become POTC.

Everybody hated it when it came out, nobody wanted one, and JJP didn't want to make them because it was such a fiasco. Remember the years-long butthurt of people upset the "trispinner" and "moving chest" were removed, because they were unreliable and expensive?

I think that's what he's getting at, not that in 3 months people are suddenly gonna be paying $20K for Toy Storys.

If you are so sure then why are you selling yours for a discount?

Every game will cost more than new with enough time. Inflation guarantees that.

Cuz he is pitching someone a great investment opportunity here, buy it at 14 and go up to 20 when production ends

Think You might be better taking the money and buying Apple stock.

If Apple stock will go up???

Bump

I’m not sure that’s true.

My distro was only having to buy “confirmed orders” for the CE. Many people dropped off of his list/allotment.

Betson dropped out altogether.

Wouldn’t be surprised if just like Wonka, JJP will be sitting on some CEs for years or not build them altogether.

Remember, they aren’t built yet.

Lol. No doubt, sell all pins and buy Apple, Microsoft, Google and Amazon. Especially if we get a pullback.

Then buy your old pins back plus another batch with the profits in 3 yrs.

Keep a few to play in the meantime. Lol

The poll You added is really helping You get your price?

The interesting thing is You never buy newer games nor do You flip games.

Seems like the first time You tried it You got stung.

I just sold Rush LE and Mando LE. I pre-ordered as I thought they would be awesome and I'd sell a couple of games and make room.

They came and I never opened boxes and sold them after watching stream. Just not my kind of games. I sold cheap!

Your biggest issue is how many are going to be on the market when JJP starts to produce them? There are 11 on Pinside now.

Just bc the OP brought it up via a poll I’ll mention this……

Only an absolute fool (or distributors, or better yet a distributor that acts like they’re an enthusiast but is just trying to sell you on it) could think this game will be over 15k after august 23.

To be fair - I’m sure outfits like Flip in Out truly just want to ensure they get these games out the door and not be stuck at the bare minimum bc it’s clear this game is a flop bc they stripped it out and then raised the price. Can’t do that and thankfully the community said hell no.

Only report the facts right? Fact is that LEs are sitting and CEs can’t even go out the door at a discount. Look at this ad and others to prove that. Don’t believe the shill BS. It’s fake news pinball.

And no this isn’t a great opportunity to buy someone else’s mistake and no this isn’t pirates either. The value on pirates went up bc it’s loaded AND very limited. Fact.

Any shill want to put their money where their lying mouth is - I’ll bet 1k this game is not over 15k for sure by next August. Ice - you can hold the money while we wait haha!

This community deserves better than this cash grab and I’m so glad to see the market has spoken. Rise up.

I will put up 1k as well! Rise up!

Cointaker still has Beatles Diamond and Platinum editions for sale even tho they were made 4 years ago, the point is the price is still too darn high ($15K for Platinum, $24K for Diamond).

I am going to mangle an expression, but "there is just no there there."

by which I mean the games exist but they are just not seen as that valuable at this time and place. I see TS4 CE as a big time price, and only if you were a ride or die TS4 fan and you said take my money I'll buy it. But if you are just a casual TS4 fan or if you just want to get value, you would just take the LE for example because the gold sparkles and cake topper don't add up to $3K. Just like the Diamond edition of Beatles don't add up to $24K, it's manufactured it's not authentic.

I used to look at Stern LE and compare to a premium and say well, I am getting a shaker and side rails and maybe better speakers and invisiglass and say that all adds up to $1200 (or whatever number) and then the up to the LE was $2K and I would say that might be worth it or not. But now I see the LE Stern advertised for $17K and I can get a premium for $9K there is just no there there for me to pay almost double just because it's an LE.

Hosted a pinball party last night and toy story had the biggest gravitational pull for everyone.

Too early to rate it for me. I need to put at least 500 plays on a game before rating. First 25 games or so have been quite enjoyable.

I’m just amazed by the pretzel logic to forecast an increase in value while at the same time trying to get rid of it offering a discount.

For an item that doesn’t even exist yet!

It’s bizarre.

"Bad move human."

No room at My Florida home. Have TBL coming in a couple of weeks and then I'm actually full again.

Biggest issue is the extra game I have taking up space is a GZLE NIB I just can't let go of. Playing the Premium every day and it is so awesome.

Nobody really believes this game will maintain its value Delt.

The real question would be if we set a betting line on the over/under, what would
the number be by next August?

Throwing in a little overall market downturn adjustment I’d put the CE at $12,200 by next August.

Maybe somebody would be the bookie here, that would be fun!

The only thing that gave a JJP CE some higher value was the “limited” nature. Even though nobody cared about POTC originally and that CE was 200. They couldn’t sell through 500 Wonkas.

Then GNR at $12,500 and 500CEs. Now they are fetching $15k OBO and I love that pin.

You make 1,000 TS4CEs, a much lesser title based on the one movie, and price it at $15k?

I think it was a combination of money grab greed and arrogance that is leaving a nasty taste in folks mouths.

Was it an innocent “misread” of the market? Maybe some of that but did no one in the room speak up? I heard otherwise, the arrogance with some distros was at another level.

500 should be the max number. They didn’t “get away” with anything. Said it at the announcement, no way they sold through 1,000 CEs. NO WAY

At the end of the day THE MARKET SPEAKS

Doesn’t mean TS4 isn’t fun. Looks really good.

And for Stern, 1,000 LEs are too many in the long run.

There are a shit ton of Rush LEs always sitting in just the Pinside “marketplace”

Too many, too high of a price as well, but closer to reality right now.

I’m sure we can pick one up later, cheaper

I don’t think it’s the game play that turns people off, it’s the price and it being a TS4 instead of TS. A 6k JP pro is fun as well and 1/2 the price. I don’t think anyone will walk away from the game and say this was 12k or 15k well spent.