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For sale: The Big Lebowski


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#51 84 days ago
Quoted from teekee:

If you are not in the market for a 21k BL why not just move along... spend time with the family... volunteer at a hospital... thank a vet... clean up trash along the road... bake a cake... mow the lawn... JEEZ!

Because some of us have actual jobs that we stay at for eight hours in a day. You don't think we waste too much time on this website while not getting paid do you?

And this is a thread where every pinsider is allowed to discuss the item up for sale. Whether you like it or not.

But, flipping pinball machines to rich people for a profit is nice work if you can get it I guess.

Then there are those that seem to like to tell others what they should or should not do. Must make them feel good about themselves or something.

#52 84 days ago
Quoted from teekee:

Amen! If you are not in the market for a 21k BL why not just move along... spend time with the family... volunteer at a hospital... thank a vet... clean up trash along the road... bake a cake... mow the lawn... JEEZ!

Tiki: The “price police” police.

#53 84 days ago

Has anyone paid over 20k for one of these?

I thought the sell number was around 15-16k.

#54 84 days ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

Has anyone paid over 20k for one of these?

I know of one that sold for that much. Before the latest batch was released.

But I think the guy was an actor or something. Supposedly famous.

#55 84 days ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

Has anyone paid over 20k for one of these?
I thought the sell number was around 15-16k.

I personally know of two that sold at $20K each. Both were sold before the the latest batch was released.

#56 84 days ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

Tiki: The “price police” police.

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#57 84 days ago

I know of one sold for $20K.

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#58 84 days ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

There is a sophisticated scammer in our hobby right now who lists rare and hot games NIB for about 15-20% below market value. He has had some success and made a lot of money in our hobby in a short window; per the reports we’ve received he knows our hobby specific vocabulary and doesn’t come off as an outsider in a short burst. Due to his recent success he is going to be doubling down on pinball and get even better.
That particular Craigslist advertisement looks like it could be him.

Possibly...this game is listed as being for sale about 10 miles from me, if any pinsider is legit interested in it I would be willing to go check it out for them.

#59 84 days ago
Quoted from cosmokramer:

Possibly...this game is listed as being for sale about 10 miles from me, if any pinsider is legit interested in it I would be willing to go check it out for them.

offer him 13k, surely that will cover his boob job!

#60 84 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

Then there are those that seem to like to tell others what they should or should not do. Must make them feel good about themselves or something.

Lol. You mean like the price policing going on? Ironic ain't it?

#61 84 days ago

The world is full of bossy people, some that might be better off looking in the mirror and telling themselves what it is they should or shouldn't be doing, instead of trying to rule over others.

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#62 84 days ago
Quoted from o-din:

Because some of us have actual jobs that we stay at for eight hours in a day. You don't think we waste too much time on this website while not getting paid do you?
And this is a thread where every pinsider is allowed to discuss the item up for sale. Whether you like it or not.
But, flipping pinball machines to rich people for a profit is nice work if you can get it I guess.
Then there are those that seem to like to tell others what they should or should not do. Must make them feel good about themselves or something.

Says the guy that posts like every 30 seconds in the hopes that his Pinside Posse will shower him with more 'thumbs up'... and to think you are doing this from work? Maybe instead of stealing from your employer and wasting time in threads you have no business being in you should think about your real job at hand.

GLWTS OP! You're a couple grand too cheap!

#63 84 days ago
Quoted from teekee:

Says the guy that posts like every 30 seconds in the hopes that his Pinside Posse will shower him with more 'thumbs up'... and to think you are doing this from work? Maybe instead of stealing from your employer and wasting time in threads you have no business being in you should think about your real job at hand.
GLWTS OP! You're a couple grand too cheap!

Guess I’m part of the o-din posse.

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#64 84 days ago
Quoted from Toucanf16:

Guess I’m part of the o-din posse.

Yes you are... make sure you you give him his well deserved 'thumbs up' once he responds. He gets extremely nervous if one of his responses goes ten minutes without a 'thumbs up'

GLWTS OP! Way too cheap!

#65 84 days ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

There is a sophisticated scammer in our hobby right now who lists rare and hot games NIB for about 15-20% below market value. He has had some success and made a lot of money in our hobby in a short window; per the reports we’ve received he knows our hobby specific vocabulary and doesn’t come off as an outsider in a short burst. Due to his recent success he is going to be doubling down on pinball and get even better.
That particular Craigslist advertisement looks like it could be him.

what is the scam?

how does it play out?

#66 84 days ago
Quoted from curiusgeorge:

Lol. You mean like the price policing going on? Ironic ain't it?

You’re conflating. Scoffing at someone’s price is a lot different than telling them they should get a life.

The best irony concerns the misuse of the word irony.

#67 84 days ago

Well, this forum debate has been fun to read.

So here we go...
1. I already have an offer for 18 and at 19. Which at this time I won’t be accepting.

2. I bought the game to keep as I am a huge TBL fan and I am also a pinball streamer and it brings a ton of views. It is only for sale due to my families medical issues that we are trying to help them out because we are more blessed than they are.

3. Fuck you. It’s my game and if I was a flipper I wouldn’t have taken it out of the box. If you don’t like the price, don’t buy it and move on from this post. Already know of other sales for 20 and 23k.

4. Fuck you again. My wife’s father has cancer and can no longer walk and my wife’s grandmother is entering the later stages of dementia and needs 24 hour care. Hope you feel good about yourself.

5. I bought a rare game that is highly sought after and isn’t available. It won’t be made again. Let’s get real. Once DP goes out of business for real, this game will go up another 10k. So I am losing money by selling it now, which I am only doing for the reason mentioned above. Otherwise it would never leave my house and no one else would get a chance to own it. So get it if you would like it for 21 due to these circumstances otherwise it would be listed at 25.

6. It’s 21 on here because dealing with you pinside babies means the cost of the machine comes at a premium to buy my game. #pinsidebabies

Have a nice day.

#68 84 days ago
Quoted from VividPsychosis:

Well, this forum debate has been fun to read.
So here we go...
1. I already have an offer for 18 and at 19. Which at this time I won’t be accepting.
2. I bought the game to keep as I am a huge TBL fan and I am also a pinball streamer and it brings a ton of views. It is only for sale due to my families medical issues that we are trying to help them out because we are more blessed than they are.
3. Fuck you. It’s my game and if I was a flipper I wouldn’t have taken it out of the box. If you don’t like the price, don’t buy it and move on from this post. Already know of other sales for 20 and 23k.
4. Fuck you again. My wife’s father has cancer and can no longer walk and my wife’s grandmother is entering the later stages of dementia and needs 24 hour care. Hope you feel good about yourself.
5. I bought a rare game that is highly sought after and isn’t available. It won’t be made again. Let’s get real. Once DP goes out of business for real, this game will go up another 10k. So I am losing money by selling it now, which I am only doing for the reason mentioned above. Otherwise it would never leave my house and no one else would get a chance to own it. So get it if you would like it for 21 due to these circumstances otherwise it would be listed at 25.
6. It’s 21 on here because dealing with you pinside babies means the cost of the machine comes at a premium to buy my game. #pinsidebabies
Have a nice day.

I am not sure you know, but it is VERY likely that TBL will be made by another company in the not so distant future. It is pretty obvious there is a market for the game, even at the 12.5k the most recent batch has been selling for (worth note that more of those are being delivered as they are able which means more supply)

The sales for 20k+ were all before the most recent batch and large supply of secondary market

Good Luck with your sale. Personally, I would take the 19k offer and go be the great person you are and help out your extended family with the profits from the flip. Genuinely! Family is way more important and if you can take an almost 6k profit on something after a month and give that money to a family member to make their limited time appreciably better, then do it!

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#69 84 days ago
Quoted from VividPsychosis:

Well, this forum debate has been fun to read.
So here we go...
1. I already have an offer for 18 and at 19. Which at this time I won’t be accepting.
2. I bought the game to keep as I am a huge TBL fan and I am also a pinball streamer and it brings a ton of views. It is only for sale due to my families medical issues that we are trying to help them out because we are more blessed than they are.
3. Fuck you. It’s my game and if I was a flipper I wouldn’t have taken it out of the box. If you don’t like the price, don’t buy it and move on from this post. Already know of other sales for 20 and 23k.
4. Fuck you again. My wife’s father has cancer and can no longer walk and my wife’s grandmother is entering the later stages of dementia and needs 24 hour care. Hope you feel good about yourself.
5. I bought a rare game that is highly sought after and isn’t available. It won’t be made again. Let’s get real. Once DP goes out of business for real, this game will go up another 10k. So I am losing money by selling it now, which I am only doing for the reason mentioned above. Otherwise it would never leave my house and no one else would get a chance to own it. So get it if you would like it for 21 due to these circumstances otherwise it would be listed at 25.
6. It’s 21 on here because dealing with you pinside babies means the cost of the machine comes at a premium to buy my game. #pinsidebabies
Have a nice day.

Take the 19k and run.

#70 84 days ago
Quoted from VividPsychosis:

Well, this forum debate has been fun to read.
So here we go...
1. I already have an offer for 18 and at 19. Which at this time I won’t be accepting.
2. I bought the game to keep as I am a huge TBL fan and I am also a pinball streamer and it brings a ton of views. It is only for sale due to my families medical issues that we are trying to help them out because we are more blessed than they are.
3. Fuck you. It’s my game and if I was a flipper I wouldn’t have taken it out of the box. If you don’t like the price, don’t buy it and move on from this post. Already know of other sales for 20 and 23k.
4. Fuck you again. My wife’s father has cancer and can no longer walk and my wife’s grandmother is entering the later stages of dementia and needs 24 hour care. Hope you feel good about yourself.
5. I bought a rare game that is highly sought after and isn’t available. It won’t be made again. Let’s get real. Once DP goes out of business for real, this game will go up another 10k. So I am losing money by selling it now, which I am only doing for the reason mentioned above. Otherwise it would never leave my house and no one else would get a chance to own it. So get it if you would like it for 21 due to these circumstances otherwise it would be listed at 25.
6. It’s 21 on here because dealing with you pinside babies means the cost of the machine comes at a premium to buy my game. #pinsidebabies
Have a nice day.

Hope you get your number - even if it’s remade, it won’t be the same game, as some of the mechs need to be redesigned due to the patent situation, and even the awesome CGC remakes are not identical to the original games. Real sorry about your father in law and grandmother in law. Dementia is the hardest thing in the world to deal with for the patient and the family. I’ve been through this with family members already and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. Some (most?) things are more important than pinball.

#71 84 days ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I am not sure you know, but it is VERY likely that TBL will be made by another company in the not so distant future.

Nice to see you have so much faith in Barry. Most of us hope he somehow gets his shit together and gets production going to cover all those unfulfilled preorders, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it VERY likely.

#72 84 days ago
Quoted from teekee:

Says the guy that posts like every 30 seconds in the hopes that his Pinside Posse will shower him with more 'thumbs up'... and to think you are doing this from work? Maybe instead of stealing from your employer and wasting time in threads you have no business being in you should think about your real job at hand.
GLWTS OP! You're a couple grand too cheap!

teekee, we all love you but you’re out of line promoting your internet addiction counseling services in OP’s for sale thread.

#73 84 days ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Nice to see you have so much faith in Barry. Most of us hope he somehow gets his shit together and gets production going to cover all those unfulfilled preorders, but I wouldn’t go so far as to call it VERY likely.

I have little faith in Barry. I think he will limp another 15-25 games out the door to get to a point where the balance/debt sheet makes sense for a sell out of the company and licensce to make LOTS and LOTS of TBL by a company capable of doing so.

I have been told (and I believe it) that more than one company has looked into and had discussions around this.

We all know of a few companies that could easily pump out these games and would be able to do it for less then the 12.5k they are currently selling for.
The theme is a grand slam, the major legwork is done with all the proto/beta builds with the first 90-110 games out there. There would need to be some improvements and rework but it is at a really good stage for a much bigger company to take it over and run with it.

I think the last factor is, at what point do the books make sense and Barry can walk with some dignity and some more cash in his pocket.

We have seen similar things before and TBL is almost ripe for the picking IMHO.

#74 84 days ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I have little faith in Barry. I think he will limp another 15-25 games out the door to get to a point where the balance/debt sheet makes sense for a sell out of the company and licensce to make LOTS and LOTS of TBL by a company capable of doing so.
I have been told (and I believe it) that more than one company has looked into and had discussions around this.

I’d be thrilled if you’re right, I’d love a world with thousands of TBLs in it. I just hope your source is better than Kaneda’s.

#75 84 days ago

no idea what he is saying or who his source is, but I was right when I told people that more TBL would be coming out and supply would be doubling (it did with the most recent batch and I presented that info when Kim was selling his TBL from the first run and set the high water mark).

I feel very good about my info that more than one company is actively looking to take over TBL

The reality is that ANY of the following companies could do so:
Stern
CGC
Spooky
Deeproot
AP
Circus Maximus

All of them could use another blockbuster title. Many of them could easily port TBL to their platform, and some of them even have previous TBL sub-contractors affiliated with the current companies.

All of them are also very aware of the current demand and market. While much of that is propped up on rarity of the game currently, there is surely a market for some SuperLEs at 12.5 and then step your way down to a base model (easily pull out that bowling mech and it wont be missed and a big cost savings).

#76 84 days ago
Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

You’re conflating. Scoffing at someone’s price is a lot different than telling them they should get a life.
The best irony concerns the misuse of the word irony.

Really? In both instances, someone is passing judgement, whether it's over the price or how someone spends their time. But maybe it's just me.

In any case, to the seller, good luck with the sale. Family is the most important thing in life.

#77 84 days ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Hope you get your number - even if it’s remade, it won’t be the same game, as some of the mechs need to be redesigned due to the patent situation, and even the awesome CGC remakes are not identical to the original games. Real sorry about your father in law and grandmother in law. Dementia is the hardest thing in the world to deal with for the patient and the family. I’ve been through this with family members already and I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. Some (most?) things are more important than pinball.

There is no patient situation DP Owns ALL schematics, patients on ALL parts

#78 84 days ago

Why does everyone keep saying these were $12.5k? They were $8500. I ordered one.

#79 84 days ago

Excellent entertaining thread. Who doesn't love drama on Pinside? Surprised no one posted an eating popcorn gif.

#80 84 days ago
Quoted from Pinhead1982:

There is no patient situation DP Owns ALL schematics, patients on ALL parts

I think you mean patents.

#81 84 days ago

vividpsychosis

Take the 19K- or you will loose out..

Every new TBL that comes out lowers the price. You can’t with 100% certainty say that they won’t be made..

Barry has the parts
Barry has the rights
Barry has the IP
Barry has a premises
Barry has Orders -
Barry has investor

Sure he needs workers, and to train them, which takes time - Barry designed the game and has a detailed handbook on how to assemble.

It is looking stronger than ever that DP will get TBL’s out

#82 84 days ago
Quoted from Jodester:

I think you mean patents.

Yeah sorry!

#83 84 days ago

Barry had all that once before, and managed to blow it up due to terrible mismanagement. Why exactly is this time different?

Quoted from Pinhead1982:

vividpsychosis
Take the 19K- or you will loose out..
Every new TBL that comes out lowers the price. You can’t with 100% certainty say that they won’t be made..
Barry has the parts
Barry has the rights
Barry has the IP
Barry has a premises
Barry has Orders -
Barry has investor
Sure he needs workers, and to train them, which takes time - Barry designed the game and has a detailed handbook on how to assemble.
It is looking stronger than ever that DP will get TBL’s out

#84 84 days ago

Bad contract

#85 84 days ago

No Barry is going to build them himself- DP has learnt from this experience and won’t make the same mistakes again

#86 84 days ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Why does everyone keep saying these were $12.5k? They were $8500. I ordered one.

Yes, they were $8500 to order one, but if you actually wanted to receive the game the cost was $12.5K.

Quoted from Whysnow:

I am not sure you know, but it is VERY likely that TBL will be made by another company in the not so distant future. It is pretty obvious there is a market for the game, even at the 12.5k the most recent batch has been selling for (worth note that more of those are being delivered as they are able which means more supply)

That all sounds nice and rosy, but my take on remaking TBL is that it would be an unattractive idea for any successful pinball company for the same reasons Alien hasn't been remade despite it being a "total no-brainer!!!"

-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it doesn't break every 10 minutes.
-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it works with the new company's hardware, software, and any other ware
-possible licensing issues
-possible liability issues
-for TBL, niche theme that might not translate from sought after curiosity/rarity to mass produced product

In the end, why bother? Much easier to just produce your own game without dealing with the expense, baggage, risks, and other assorted nonsense attached to trying to revive this dead, failed boutique product.

#87 83 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Yes, they were $8500 to order one, but if you actually wanted to receive the game the cost was $12.5K.

That all sounds nice and rosy, but my take on remaking TBL is that it would be an unattractive idea for any successful pinball company for the same reasons Alien hasn't been remade despite it being a "total no-brainer!!!"
-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it doesn't break every 10 minutes.
-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it works with the new company's hardware, software, and any other ware
-possible licensing issues
-possible liability issues
-for TBL, niche theme that might not translate from sought after curiosity/rarity to mass produced product
In the end, why bother? Much easier to just produce your own game without dealing with the expense, baggage, risks, and other assorted nonsense attached to trying to revive this dead, failed boutique product.

Some TBLs at the start had trouble, but build quality got a lot better- how can you say that it needs redesigning!

Have you not seen the JJP & STERN threads! Chipping playfields, for both, POTC.. come on Levi...

#88 83 days ago
Quoted from Pinhead1982:

Some TBLs at the start had trouble, but build quality got a lot better- how can you say that it needs redesigning!
Have you not seen the JJP & STERN threads! Chipping playfields, for both, POTC.. come on Levi...

Not really concerned about clearcoat and whatever "build quality" means. I just want a game that actually functions.

-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it doesn't break every 10 minutes.
-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it works with the new company's hardware, software, and any other ware

You really think Stern can just throw TBL in it's current state on the line and slap a "stern" logo over the "DP?" It doesn't work that way.

#89 83 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it doesn't break every 10 minutes.

that does not seem to be the case. Needs some tweaks but that can easily be done

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it works with the new company's hardware, software, and any other ware

I thought they were P-roc based for TBL? That is a no fix for some companies

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

-possible licensing issues
-possible liability issues

from what I understand there are no licensing issues as those are dealt with
Liability is a complex thing but when crossing the pond some of those things go way down as a risk factor (some would say they even disappear)
EA things also provides an opportunity for some built in good PR for any new company if they help make them whole.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

-for TBL, niche theme that might not translate from sought after curiosity/rarity to mass produced product

we are not needing 2000 to be made. For many companies 500 would be a perfect amount and really put them on the right track. I feel pretty sure they could sell 500 at Stern Premium pricing or JJP standard pricing with almost zero effort. The game and theme resonates with many.

#90 83 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it doesn't break every 10 minutes.

what is breaking?

From the ones I have played, the upper flipper needs some adjustment. The rug mech is a bit flakey. The bowling mech could just be removed entirely and not be missed.

The core game hase worked fine and many parts are standard stuff for any company in current state.

#91 83 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Not really concerned about clearcoat and whatever "build quality" means. I just want a game that actually functions.
-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it doesn't break every 10 minutes.
-Game needs to be re-engineered and redesigned so that it works with the new company's hardware, software, and any other ware
You really think Stern can just throw TBL in it's current state on the line and slap a "stern" logo over the "DP?" It doesn't work that way.

I didn’t say that Stern could do that- maybe the 40 new owners could chime in and give their opinions on build quality.. most I’ve heard is that they are built like tanks.

I wouldn’t want Stern slap stern logo on it with their build quailty!

#92 83 days ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

what is breaking?
From the ones I have played, the upper flipper needs some adjustment. The rug mech is a bit flakey. The bowling mech could just be removed entirely and not be missed.
The core game hase worked fine and many parts are standard stuff for any company in current state.

The one at sunshine was always broken, at a location with 40 other games and a skilled technician running the place. Always. For like 2 years, with incredibly brief periods of working. So that's my experience with it.

No idea about other location TBLs, if there are any.

Quoted from Whysnow:

EA things also provides an opportunity for some built in good PR for any new company if they help make them whole.

I'm sorry man, I just don't see the appeal here. "Stern/JJP/Spooky, want to write a bunch of checks to a bunch of pissed off people just so we can crowbar TBL into our production schedule which is already full for the next couple of years? We'll get some good PR!"

I'm not sure even Deep Root has the disposable funds to take on another charity case like this. Don't mistake what happened over there as normal, it is not smart business to pay out hundreds of thousands of dollars or more to former customers just for the privilege of cleaning up some other moron's expensive mistakes. Making ripped off former customers "whole" is not a sane business plan for a one-off remake, especially when you are already successfully producing and selling thousands of pinball machines a year without all of these hassles.

I understand and appreciate that there's "a market" for making more of failed boutique games like TBL and Alien, but it's just the rest of it - the actual process and economic feasibility of making this happen from point A to point Z - that I simply don't get and never will (until someone actually pulls it off, I guess?).

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#93 83 days ago
Quoted from teekee:

make sure you you give him his well deserved 'thumbs up' once he responds.

I'm waiting.

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#94 83 days ago
Quoted from VividPsychosis:

you pinside babies

Going with the soft sell technique, I like it.

#95 83 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

The one at sunshine was always broken, at a location with 40 other games and a skilled technician running the place. Always. For like 2 years, with incredibly brief periods of working. So that's my experience with it.
No idea about other location TBLs, if there are any.

I'm sorry man, I just don't see the appeal here. "Stern/JJP/Spooky, want to write a bunch of checks to a bunch of pissed off people just so we can crowbar TBL into our production schedule which is already full for the next couple of years? We'll get some good PR!"
I'm not sure even Deep Root has the disposable funds to take on another charity case like this. Don't mistake what happened over there as normal, it is not smart business to pay out hundreds of thousands of dollars or more to former customers just for the privilege of cleaning up some other moron's expensive mistakes. Making ripped off former customers "whole" is not a sane business plan for a one-off remake, especially when you are already successfully producing and selling thousands of pinball machines a year without all of these hassles.
I understand and appreciate that there's "a market" for making more of failed boutique games like TBL and Alien, but it's just the rest of it - the actual process and economic feasibility of making this happen from point A to point Z - that I simply don't get and never will (until someone actually pulls it off, I guess?).

I think you are being far too generous with any idea of taking care of EAs.

Anyone and I mean anyone that buys a license to produce the game has likely zero legal obligation to make EAs whole. Toss on top that once you are takling overseas, lots of things change. I am not sure of any specifics, but pretty sure it would be very difficult for anyone to try and claw back funds from any new company buying off the ability to produce the game. That fight would still be with Barry et al.

A new company could gain a bunch of good will by just making the game. Offer EAs a discounted rate of 8500 to buy a game. Build the rest for 9500 and donate 500 to a fund to help make EAs whole.

How many EAs are out there now? how much money is owed?

#96 83 days ago

This sale thread has truly run it's course. Emotions across the gambit, epic stories, price police, random bashing, off topic randomness.

What a time to be alive.

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#97 83 days ago

Final price reduction to 20k or 13k plus a loaded gb premium/LE. I decided to sell my vette to help out my family with the rest of the money needed so if it doesn’t get the asking price I will hold it as I originally planned to do and continue streaming for all of the pinball community.

If you want it. Let me know in DM. Will remove for sale ad in 7 days.

#98 83 days ago
Quoted from VividPsychosis:

1. I already have an offer for 18 and at 19. Which at this time I won’t be accepting.

bird in the hand...

#99 83 days ago
Quoted from Atari_Daze:

bird in the hand...

Ah, the proverbial bird in the hand.

#100 83 days ago
Quoted from VividPsychosis:

I decided to sell my vette to help out my family

NOOOO, not the vette!

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