For sale: Sorcerer

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For sale: Sorcerer


By theguru717

1 year ago



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#1 1 year ago

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#2 1 year ago

Welcome new member .Sorcerer is a good game . Good luck with your sale.

#3 1 year ago

Sorcerer is a great title that I had to own. Lots a play field wear but back glass and cabinet look pretty good. GLWS, great game for someone willing to restore the play field.

#4 1 year ago

Got a pic with the backglass removed?

#5 1 year ago

Thanks for the replies, and the for welcomes! Much appreciate it.

snakesnsparklers I'm not too familiar with how to do that. I do have the keys to open the coin door and have slid the glass above the playing field out before, but I've never taken anything apart besides that.

If anyone has detailed instructions on how to remove the back glass, I am willing to give it a shot.

#6 1 year ago

There will be a keyhole in the back box, unlock it and it will let you open it up.

#7 1 year ago
Quoted from theguru717:

Thanks for the replies, and the for welcomes! Much appreciate it.
snakesnsparklers I'm not too familiar with how to do that. I do have the keys to open the coin door and have slid the glass above the playing field out before, but I've never taken anything apart besides that.
If anyone has detailed instructions on how to remove the back glass, I am willing to give it a shot.

The lock is on top of the back box, near the middle. It might be keyed differently than the coin door, and the back box key might be hanging on a hook inside the coin door (if you're lucky!). Open the lock, and gently lift the backglass up about 1/2" (there is a lip on the metal channel to lift from). If the glass is up high enough, bring the bottom towards you and lower the glass so the top can be removed. If you can't lift the glass high enough to clear the bottom (don't force it), the lock needs to move more. When locked, the lock will prevent the glass from being lifted high enough to be removed.

#8 1 year ago
Quoted from gutz:

the back box key might be hanging on a hook inside the coin door (if you're lucky!).

And look carefully for the key - it can blend in or be tangled up with the coin mechs on the inside of the coin door and might not be easy to spot at a glance.

#9 1 year ago

Thanks for all the help/advice, everyone

I was able to stop by my folks' house and find the extra keys inside the coin door. I will go back, either tonight or tomorrow, and get some pictures of the back glass removed.

#10 1 year ago

Thanks for the help, everybody. Was able to stop by my folks house and get the back glass off.

I have two offers of $1,200.
Anybody else want to chime in with an offer before I let it go for $1,200?

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#11 1 year ago

some more pictures......also, upon further inspection, it appears that two of the red active bumper tops have small pieces chipped out of them. I forgot to get a pic of the second one, but as you can see, it is not visible while standing at/playing the machine

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#12 1 year ago

This game looks like a decent player's game . I think most perspective buyers would like to see the condition of the boards though .In your picture of the backbox with the backglass removed ,you see the metal bracket in the upper right corner , slide that up and pull that panel towards the front of the game (it is on hinges and will open up . ) Behind there is the boards most people would like to see .

#13 1 year ago

Heck, I was gonna offer $1,000. Guess I got beat.

#14 1 year ago

Thanks for the advice on the backboards.....I will go snag a picture of them and post it up today.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tn-auction-feb-17#
For 'Mortals' questioning pricing and offering $800, this auction in TN had a sorcerer sell for $1400+20% auction fees ($1400+$280=$1680). Being that stuff at auctions is usually sold for less than private sale value, I'd say the price is fair. I have seen other sorcerer machines(with nearly perfect playfields) sell on pinside for $2,000. There are also overlays on eBay for $199 and people who completely refurbish playfields for $400-$500. There is even the signup to request brand new playfields from classicplayfields.com for $749 http://www.classicplayfields.com/order.html

These machines aren't being made anymore and they aren't selling in high numbers. Further, this machine has always been professionally maintained when needed and is an all original unit that is now 32 years old. Prices on this type of stuff doesn't go down.

#15 1 year ago
Quoted from theguru717:

Thanks for the advice on the backboards.....I will go snag a picture of them and post it up today.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tn-auction-feb-17#
For anyone questioning pricing and offering $800, this auction in TN had a sorcerer sell for $1400+20% auction fees ($1400+$280=$1680). Being that stuff at auctions is usually sold for less than private sale value, I'd say the price is fair. I have seen other sorcerer machines(with nearly perfect playfields) sell on pinside for $2,000. There are also overlays on eBay for $199 and people who completely refurbish playfields for $400-$500. There is even the signup to request brand new playfields from classicplayfields.com for $749 http://www.classicplayfields.com/order.html
These machines aren't being made anymore and they aren't selling in high numbers. Further, this machine has always been professionally maintained when needed and is an all original unit that is now 32 years old. Prices on this type of stuff doesn't go down.

The problem I see with your asking price is the wear on the playfield. Two years ago I sold a Sorcerer with a near perfect playfield for around $1100 (if I remember correctly). Prices have gone up some and I am somewhat fussy about playfield condition when I buy a machine but in my eyes your machines is an $800 machine. Some people might see it as being worth a little more but if you get a serious offer of $1000 or more personally I would grab the money and run.

I am not trying to tell you what to do - I am just telling you from experience what your machine is likely worth. I have zero interest because I don't buy machines with that much playfield wear at any price but I am local to the area and more or less know the local values of machines. As far as you using one auction price to try to access value that is a bad idea. First off you don't know the condition of machine sold and secondly two "crazy" people could have driven price beyond logical.

Pinside has the "average selling price at $1400 and Boston Pinball has it at $653 with the average of last two sold at $482. Something is "wrong" with Boston Pinball prices and that is likely because machines were in rough shape or incomplete but the highest price one sold on eBay in the last 5 years was $1299 and eBay takes 10% fees from that.

It is your machine and you have every right to ask what ever you want for it but if I had that machine for sale my price would be $800 as it sits. In any event a free bump and best of luck with getting it sold.

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#16 1 year ago

$1,200?

You should have accepted one of those offers yesterday, based on the apparent condition, which cosmetically is fairly poor. The game is unshopped, and everybody here knows that it will need a lot of attention. There are likely issues that you aren't even aware of, and we wouldn't expect you to be aware of them because you aren't a pinball guy.

Nobody here has any problem with you trying to get as much as you can but you should stop posting auction results and pinside values as that kind of thing doesn't matter very much to us. We buy and sell pinball machines around here, not estimated values and supposed results from deals we don't know anything about. Pictures and condition means a lot more to us than an auction result from Tennessee.

#17 1 year ago
Quoted from too-many-pins:

The problem I see with your asking price is the wear on the playfield. Two years ago I sold a Sorcerer with a near perfect playfield for around $1100 (if I remember correctly). Prices have gone up some and I am somewhat fussy about playfield condition when I buy a machine but in my eyes your machines is an $800 machine. Some people might see it as being worth a little more but if you get a serious offer of $1000 or more personally I would grab the money and run.
I am not trying to tell you what to do - I am just telling you from experience what your machine is likely worth. I have zero interest because I don't buy machines with that much playfield wear at any price but I am local to the area and more or less know the local values of machines. As far as you using one auction price to try to access value that is a bad idea. First off you don't know the condition of machine sold and secondly two "crazy" people could have driven price beyond logical.
Pinside has the "average selling price at $1400 and Boston Pinball has it at $653 with the average of last two sold at $482. Something is "wrong" with Boston Pinball prices and that is likely because machines were in rough shape or incomplete but the highest price one sold on eBay in the last 5 years was $1299 and eBay takes 10% fees from that.
It is your machine and you have every right to ask what ever you want for it but if I had that machine for sale my price would be $800 as it sits. In any event a free bump and best of luck with getting it sold.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

$1,200?
You should have accepted one of those offers yesterday, based on the apparent condition, which cosmetically is fairly poor.
You should stop posting auction results and pinside values as that kind of thing doesn't matter very much to us. We buy and sell pinball machines around here, not estimated values and supposed results from deals we don't know anything about.

Thank you both for the comments and input.

Crazy Levi, with all due respect, you are a pinball sales and rental store located in the largest, wealthiest market in the western hemisphere(if not the world). Therefore, your exposure to and experience with pricing is going to be at the lowest possible value. You and I both know that private sale pricing is not wholesale pricing and is not shop liquidation pricing. Further, contrary to your beliefs, auction prices drive the values on anything collectible. Look at high-end, luxury automobiles, for instance. McLaren F1s are the most desirable, fastest naturally aspirated car on the planet. You could have picked one up even 5 years ago for around $1.2-$3 million dollars. Today, auctions are commanding $14million with private sales asking nearly and over $20million.

Yes, I know pins are not cars and a Sorcerer machine is not as desirable or demanding as a McLaren F1, but to completely dismiss auction prices and estimated values from reputable/active sources is not only disingenuous but also unprofessional. You operate in a world of maximum profits and that is not the world that private sales operates in.

That being said, find me a fully-functional, relatively similar condition unit in generally the same part of the country, for sale right now at or below $1,200.

I look forward to having something to compare mine with in the current market.

Here is what I can find:
$2,500 for a perfect machine one year ago: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-sorcerer-williams-1985-1995 (this unit sold, likely near that price)
$1,800 (from AL, 2017) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-sorcerer-3 (cabinet is worse than mine, and has many non-original parts)
---first comment on this one ^^^ is:
"Nice looking all original Sorcerer. Condition looks better in the photos than you are rating it. The price is really really good. Should sale fast."
$1,600 (asking price as of feb 11th, 2018) in CO: https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/60159
$1,400 (July 2016- LI, NY) https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/37049
$1,300 (Nov 2015 in MD---cabinet in worse shape, many non-original parts) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-sorcerer-williams-1985-1986
$1,500 (MN) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-sorcerer-williams-1985-1988

Further, check out these price checks which suggest the playing, but rough machines are in the $1,000 range:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-check-sorcerer
Many of those comments are 3 years old or more, with people offering $200+ for a worn out playfield that they can send to someone like John Greatwich

and another price check from 4 years ago suggesting that $1,000 for an all original (used) machine is reasonable:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-check-williams-sorcerer

the simple fact of the matter is, you can all talk down pricing all you want, but find another, comparable unit for sale right now, in this area for cheaper. If you do, I suggest you buy it and flip it!

Bottom line: with any non-necessity, luxury item such as this, people will pay what their heart is willing and their wallet is able. This unit is 100% functional as-is, 100% original (in the collectors world, originality is key) and 100% for sale right now.

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#18 1 year ago
Quoted from theguru717:

Thank you both for the comments and input.
Crazy Levi, with all due respect, you are a pinball sales and rental store located in the largest, wealthiest market in the western hemisphere(if not the world). Therefore, your exposure to and experience with pricing is going to be at the lowest possible value. You and I both know that private sale pricing is not wholesale pricing and is not shop liquidation pricing. Further, contrary to your beliefs, auction prices drive the values on anything collectible. Look at high-end, luxury automobiles, for instance. McLaren F1s are the most desirable, fastest naturally aspirated car on the planet. You could have picked one up even 5 years ago for around $1.2-$3 million dollars. Today, auctions are commanding $14million with private sales asking nearly and over $20million.
Yes, I know pins are not cars and a Sorcerer machine is not as desirable or demanding as a McLaren F1, but to completely dismiss auction prices and estimated values from reputable/active sources is not only disingenuous but also unprofessional. You operate in a world of maximum profits and that is not the world that private sales operates in.
That being said, find me a fully-functional, relatively similar condition unit in generally the same part of the country, for sale right now at or below $1,200.
I look forward to having something to compare mine with in the current market.
Here is what I can find:
$2,500 for a perfect machine one year ago :https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-sorcerer-williams-1985-1995 (this unit sold, likely near that price)
$1,800 (from AL, 2017) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-sorcerer-3 (cabinet is worse than mine, and has many non-original parts)
---first comment on this one ^^^ is:
"Nice looking all original Sorcerer. Condition looks better in the photos than you are rating it. The price is really really good. Should sale fast."
$1,600 (asking price as of feb 11th, 2018) in CO: https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/60159
$1,400 (July 2016- LI, NY) https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive/37049
$1,300 (Nov 2015 in MD---cabinet in worse shape, many non-original parts) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-sorcerer-williams-1985-1986
$1,500 (MN) https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-sorcerer-williams-1985-1988
Further, check out these price checks which suggest the playing, but rough machines are in the $1,000 range:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-check-sorcerer
Many of those comments are 3 years old or more, with people offering $200+ for a worn out playfield that they can send to someone like John Greatwich
and another price check from 4 years ago suggesting that $1,000 for an all original (used) machine is reasonable:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-check-williams-sorcerer
the simple fact of the matter is, you can all talk down pricing all you want. But find another, comparable unit for sale right now, in this area. If you do, I suggest you buy it and flip it!

And yet, with all due respect, you've still got that beat game sitting at your parents' house.

With all due respect, I wonder why.

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#19 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

And yet, with all due respect, you've still got that beat game sitting at your parents' house.
With all due respect, I wonder why.

spoken like a true New Yorker!

Thanks for the input, now please leave my thread if you have nothing else constructive (like comparable sorcerer pins for sale at or below this price) to add to it.

#20 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

And yet, with all due respect, you've still got that beat game sitting at your parents' house.
With all due respect, I wonder why.

Further, considering this has been for sale for less than 5 days and I have 2 offers of $1,200 another at $1,100 and a few for $1,000 I would say that my pricing is more than reasonable.

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#21 1 year ago
Quoted from theguru717:

spoken like a true New Yorker!
Thanks for the input, now please leave my thread if you have nothing else constructive (like comparable sorcerer pins for sale at or below this price) to add to it.

When you post a game for sale here and elect to make it a forum topic, you can't tell people not to comment on it. That's not how it works.

You seem very interest in educating us with your neverending torrent of auction results, so it's only fair that we - who have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE buying and selling games - return the favor. We are trying to be constructive by helping you out.

I don't see what the problem is. In reality, since you have not one but TWO offers for $1,200 cash for an unshopped game in poor condition, you are sitting pretty. You are in very good shape in this deal so even if you don't get offered another cent, you should be very happy.

Congrats!

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#22 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

When you post a game for sale here and elect to make it a forum topic, you can't tell people not to comment on it. That's not how it works.
You seem very interest in educating us with your neverending torrent of auction results, so it's only fair that we - who have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE buying and selling games - return the favor.
I don't see what the problem is. In reality, since you have not one but TWO offers for $1,200 cash for an unshopped game in poor condition, you are sitting pretty. You are in very good shape in this deal so even if you don't get offered another cent, you should be very happy.
Congrats!

I am merely providing evidence to support my claims.

You are merely providing unsupported opinions and bias heresay.

Further, I never said I had a problem, did I? You seem to be implying that it is a problem that I am getting the demand/offers for a unit that YOUR BIASED OPINION suggests are wrong.

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#23 1 year ago

CAUTION: NEW MEMBER

#24 1 year ago

Pinside never ceases to amaze me .

#25 1 year ago

Take the $1200.

Assuming your boards are clean, you’ve got a ~$1000 machine there. Ones with way less playfield wear will go for $1600+, but that’s not your machine. Ones with worse backglasses for $800. You’re doing well at $1200.

If someone will bring cash tonight and take it away, I’d jump on it.

#26 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Take the $1200.
Assuming your boards are clean, you’ve got a ~$1000 machine there.
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I wouldn't assume that, at all. The batteries have clearly not been changed since Reagan was President.

#27 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I wouldn't assume that, at all. The batteries have clearly not been changed since Reagan was President.

Yep. In which case he’s doing even better at $1200. If the boards have battery damage that’ll knock hundreds off of the value. Any sane buyer would want to see them first, of course.

#28 1 year ago

OP let me be the 4th or 5th person to tell you to take the $1200 and run. That is more than fair.

#29 1 year ago
Quoted from jamesmc:

CAUTION: NEW MEMBER

Yup, be warned, I have been nothing but completely up-front, honest and transparent the entire (short time) I have been a member here.

If you would like to see other places/forums I have been a member at:
(NASIOC since 2004 with 100% seller feedback rating)
(s2ki.com since 2006 with 100% seller feedback rating)
(eBay since 2002 with 100% seller feedback rating)

#30 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I wouldn't assume that, at all.
The batteries have clearly not been changed since Reagan was President.

Just got to my parent's house so I can check out/take pictures of the backboards just for you, Levi!

#31 1 year ago

I have no skin in this but asking price $1300 obo you have 2 offers of $1200. That’s what OBO means. Take the first one that can bring you the cash that’s only $100 less then you’re asking price. If you a firm at 1300 then get ride of the OBO on your add.

Sorry I see you have OBO in the listed price then $1300 firm in your description. That’s confusing

#32 1 year ago
Quoted from theguru717:

Just got to my parent's house so I can check out/take pictures of the backboards just for you, Levi!

Do it for all of us!

Or don’t open it and take the $1200 - if you’ve got that offer for the machine as is, your only possibility in inspecting the boards is to decrease the value of your machine.

#33 1 year ago

Asking $1300 O.B.O. Has two $1200 offers. What's the hold up?

#34 1 year ago
Quoted from dontfeed:

Asking $1300 O.B.O. Has two $1200 offers. What's the hold up?

From the OP "Price is $1,300 (firm, but offers in that range will be considered)"

I'm confused.

#35 1 year ago

As previously stated, game is 100% functional and works great. Back boards look great/clean and original. For the naysayers, or "mortals" (crazy Levi) in the case of this game, be assured that my parents are not poor, cheap or neglectful. This machine was moved 4 times to 4 states in 25+ years. Every time it was moved(most recently in 2011) it was professionally set up and torn down. It was also gone through by a professional arcade specialist every time it was set up.

This machine is not a basket case. This machine is not roached out. I am presenting it as honestly and openly as my (admittedly limited) knowledge allows.

I have been nothing but forthcoming about it's condition and it's history. The machine is 32 years old. Original. Used. Well worn and still presents very well. I bet a lot of you weren't 100% functional and this well presented when you were 32 years old. That being said, it still has a lot of value at the asking price, regardless of what some of the negative voices here seem to think

Haters gonna hate

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#36 1 year ago
Quoted from theguru717:

As previously stated, game is 100% functional and works great. Back boards look great/clean and original. For the naysayers, or "mortals" (crazy Levi) in the case of this game,

Why do you keep singling me out when a half dozen people have told you the same thing I have? Why do you keep posting here when you obviously aren't interested in anybody's opinions?

Yes, the circuit boards look nice. Obviously the game has been cared for (it has a remote battery holder), which you didn't bother pointing out before. I personally wouldn't be interested in buying that game but others might. Good luck with your sale, may it happen soon. Very soon.

#37 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Why do you keep singling me out when a half dozen people have told you the same thing I have? Why do you keep posting here when you obviously aren't interested in anybody's opinions?
Yes, the circuit boards look nice. Obviously the game has been cared for (it has a remote battery holder), which you didn't bother pointing out before. I personally wouldn't be interested in buying that game but others might. Good luck with your sale, may it happen soon. Very soon.

Mostly, it is your tone and how you present your opinions (as if they are the gold standard)

For example, your statement "obviously the game has been cared for" ......starts out nice enough and then finishes "(it has a remote battery holder), which you didn't bother pointing out before." While I appreciate you pointing that fact out, so I can now use that as a selling point, you don't have to be such an a-hole about it. Don't you think if I had known (I didn't even know how to open the back board a couple hours ago) that, I would have presented it that way? Your other posts are the same way. Earlier you ignorantly assumed the batteries "clearly hadn't been changed since the Reagan was President.' I guess you were wrong about that, weren't you?

My point is, be nicer to people. Clearly you are knowledgeable about this stuff, much more so than I, but you don't have to parade around my thread like you know this machine from personal experience.

I have had less trouble (from naysayers in for sale threads) selling highly modified 500WHP turbo Honda S2000s for $20K. Granted, I hand-built that and knew every single nut, bolt, clamp and other misc parts on it, but still.

The pinball crowd is tough. Be nicer to people and maybe more people will get involved in it or become a part of it.

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#38 1 year ago
Quoted from theguru717:

Mostly, it is your tone and how you present your opinions (as if they are the gold standard)
For example, your statement "obviously the game has been cared for" ......starts out nice enough and then finishes "(it has a remote battery holder), which you didn't bother pointing out before." While I appreciate you pointing that fact out, so I can now use that as a selling point, you don't have to be such an a-hole about it..

And you don't have to keep beating us over the head with auction results and stuff we don't care about, while omitting RELEVANT DETAILS like the fact that it's been serviced. You also come off as an a-hole at times. You keep telling us how "clearly knowledgable" we are, yet you continue to talk down to us and "educate us" at the same time. It's hard not to perceive your posts as condescending.

People are willing to accept a certain amount of this stuff from newbies, but at some point it gets old. That point was when you started announcing all the fabulous offers you had for your game, but keep trying to milk it for more despite the fact that MANY people here (not just me) have pointed out how roached that playfield is.

Perhaps we are not so different, you and I. You from New York?

And hey since we can't get enough of educating each other, I'll give you a final free tip. Selling a pinball machine can be a HUGE pain in the ass. You think I'm tough? Wait till dudes start showing up at your house to "buy" your game. You might find that a $1200 "offer" on the phone turns into a $700 offer once the guy shows up and starts nickel and diming you on everything. You might start wishing you'd accepted that $1,000 offer from a guy who is actually gonna follow through and not just jerk you off.

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#39 1 year ago

If not for Levi's tone, pinball would be HUGE right now.

I SAID GOOD DAY.

#40 1 year ago

Pricing something is very simple just do a little research and toss a price on it. Finding the true value of something is a little harder - what something is worth is what someone is willing to pay for it. I never have an issue with someone asking more than I feel a machine is worth - that is their right as a seller and who knows maybe they will get lucky and find someone willing to pay that price. But if you do have serious cash in hand offers of over $1000 personally I would not try to hold out for more.

Again - it is your machine do what ever you want. I am just trying to help you understand what the "true market value" on that title is. With all that said I do regret selling mine (that was in near perfect condition) for $1100. Had I kept it for another couple years I might have gotten $1400 to $1600 for it today. But if you get over a $1000 cash in hand for that machine you have done very well in today's market.

#41 1 year ago
Quoted from theguru717:

please leave my thread if you have nothing else constructive (like comparable sorcerer pins for sale at or below this price) to add to it.

theguru717 One of the things NOT to do here on Pinside is to link your for sale post to a thread like this. You'll save yourself a migraine or two from the typical back and fourth comments from usual the experts.

#42 1 year ago
Quoted from hAbO:

theguru717 One of the things NOT to do here on Pinside is to link your for sale post to a thread like this in the future. You'll save yourself the constant back and fourth comments from the experts.

I disagree - every time someone makes a post here it makes people aware of this machine (or others) being for sale. I rarely look at the marketplace here on Pinside but I visit the forum a dozen times a day - or more. I think I have found ever machine I have ever bought on Pinside via the forum and not by visiting the marketplace ads.

Yes you will see negative post - the key is not to let them get under your skin. And again - as far as price - something is "worth" what someone is willing to pay. What someone is willing to pay doesn't have to make any sense - look at the results from the OK auction this past Sunday. Who the heck would pay those prices for most of those machines?

In any event - for the original poster - do not see any post here as a negative thing. It is keeping attention on your machine for sale and at that point someone can decided if it is worth close to your asking price to them.

#43 1 year ago
Quoted from too-many-pins:

Pricing something is very simple just do a little research and toss a price on it. Finding the true value of something is a little harder - what something is worth is what someone is willing to pay for it. I never have an issue with someone asking more than I feel a machine is worth - that is their right as a seller and who knows maybe they will get lucky and find someone willing to pay that price. But if you do have serious cash in hand offers of over $1000 personally I would not try to hold out for more.
Again - it is your machine do what ever you want. I am just trying to help you understand what the "true market value" on that title is. With all that said I do regret selling mine (that was in near perfect condition) for $1100. Had I kept it for another couple years I might have gotten $1400 to $1600 for it today. But if you get over a $1000 cash in hand for that machine you have done very well in today's market.

Quoted from too-many-pins:

I disagree - every time someone makes a post here it makes people aware of this machine (or others) being for sale. I rarely look at the marketplace here on Pinside but I visit the forum a dozen times a day - or more. I think I have found ever machine I have ever bought on Pinside via the forum and not by visiting the marketplace ads.
Yes you will see negative post - the key is not to let them get under your skin. And again - as far as price - something is "worth" what someone is willing to pay. What someone is willing to pay doesn't have to make any sense - look at the results from the OK auction this past Sunday. Who the heck would pay those prices for most of those machines?
In any event - for the original poster - do not see any post here as a negative thing. It is keeping attention on your machine for sale and at that point someone can decided if it is worth close to your asking price to them.

Thank you for the explanation and the advice. I am considering all my options at this point and might just consider $1,000 cash in hand (wink-wink-nudge-nudge) for the right local buyer. So far, the offers of $1,200 are from people in OH and NJ who are "talking to their wife" and "making plans to come by next weekend." In the meantime, I am still casting for that big bite.

And, Amen, citizen. Luxury items (and collectibles such as this) are almost always emotional buys. No one out there needs one of these machines, but someone out there NEEDS one of these machines.

And don't worry, I've got some thick skin. These guys (and gals, maybe) aren't bothering or getting to me. I've stood on shakier ground before.

P.S. why don't you swing by and check it out and see what you think (and maybe even provide some helpful second-hand feedback for this thread) sometime. My folks live right off the Carlisle Pike, near New Kingstown (behind CV high school, next to Rich Valley Golf Course)

#44 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

And you don't have to keep beating us over the head with auction results and stuff we don't care about, while omitting RELEVANT DETAILS like the fact that it's been serviced. You also come off as an a-hole at times. You keep telling us how "clearly knowledgable" we are, yet you continue to talk down to us and "educate us" at the same time. It's hard not to perceive your posts as condescending.
People are willing to accept a certain amount of this stuff from newbies, but at some point it gets old. That point was when you started announcing all the fabulous offers you had for your game, but keep trying to milk it for more despite the fact that MANY people here (not just me) have pointed out how roached that playfield is.
Perhaps we are not so different, you and I. You from New York?
And hey since we can't get enough of educating each other, I'll give you a final free tip. Selling a pinball machine can be a HUGE pain in the ass. You think I'm tough? Wait till dudes start showing up at your house to "buy" your game. You might find that a $1200 "offer" on the phone turns into a $700 offer once the guy shows up and starts nickel and diming you on everything. You might start wishing you'd accepted that $1,000 offer from a guy who is actually gonna follow through and not just jerk you off.

Thanks for the advice. I am not trying to "educate" anyone......again, I am merely providing evidence for my claims (claimed value of machine). I am sorry if you do not like or appreciate that evidence, but it is evidence of value none the less.

And no, I am not from NY, but I went to school there (UB) and have friends from around your way, with whom I have learned a great deal about "how the real world" works (within NYC).

And yes, I am trying to get every dollar of value out of the machine, because that is what good salespeople do. Of course, if i wanted it gone tomorrow I could throw it up for $500 and call it a day. But it has value and I am going to work for it and get as much of it as I can. If someone drives several hours to buy the machine and drops their offer by a hundred dollars or more, Ill tell them to pound sand and drive their asses right back home empty handed. There is no rush to sell this machine. It will sell when it gets the value I (and a buyer) feel it is worth. If that is $1,200 or even back down to $1,000 then so be it. But until then, I am going to keep searching for the largest fish in this little pond (of pinball).

Finally, while getting rid of this for a handy would be nice, I require AT LEAST a handy followed immediately by a Peter Luger Porterhouse.

#45 1 year ago
Quoted from westofrome:

If not for Levi's tone, pinball would be HUGE right now.
I SAID GOOD DAY.

^ LOL. this is the stuff I come back to forums for.

Thanks for lightening up the mood a little around here. Seems pretty uptight, if you ask me!

#46 1 year ago

"So says you. I feel that providing evidence of machines that are asking MORE than my price, even some several years old, help to kick people in the ass and let them know the market is trending upward on this machine. Again, Williams isn't making any more of these and clearly, as per Google, these aren't coming up for sale all that often. Someone out there is going to see and agree that the asking price is fair/reasonable."

Just trying to be helpful and or/nice to a newb. Screw it then - The playfield is hideous but the rest of the machine looks nice. If you were offered $1200 then take that money and run.

#47 1 year ago

You will probably end up getting about what you were asking for it. I wish the PF wasn't so roached as I would be interested. My only question is the "professional" service performed on this machine should have included a PF wax and ball change at some point in it's 30 years. Probably would have saved some of the art work. Anyway...It looks like it's seen a ton of plays in its life especially for a HUO pin. Otherwise the cab and glass look good. This might not be a bad grab for someone with a PF sitting around who wants a project. Definitely more positives then negatives. Although the one negative is a pretty major one. Don't sweat the critics...Almost every member gets hit by the price police on Pinside. Everyone means well mostly. Good luck!

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#48 1 year ago
Quoted from hAbO:

"So says you. I feel that providing evidence of machines that are asking MORE than my price, even some several years old, help to kick people in the ass and let them know the market is trending upward on this machine. Again, Williams isn't making any more of these and clearly, as per Google, these aren't coming up for sale all that often. Someone out there is going to see and agree that the asking price is fair/reasonable."
Screw it then - The playfield is hideous but the rest of the machine looks nice. If you should sell it for the $1200 you were offered and run.

Some people think Danny Trejo is hideous, too, but that dude phukks! and gets paid for playing characters with character.

This is a highly original pin with character.

#49 1 year ago
Quoted from TomN:

You will probably end up getting about what you were asking for it. I wish the PF wasn't so roached as I would be interested. My only question is the "professional" service performed on this machine should have included a PF wax and ball change at some point in it's 30 years. Probably would have saved some of the art work. Anyway...It looks like it's seen a ton of plays in its life especially for a HUO pin. Otherwise the cab and glass look good. This might not be a bad grab for someone with a PF sitting around who wants a project. Definitely more positives then negatives. Although the one negative is a pretty major one. Don't sweat the critics...Almost every member gets hit by the price police on Pinside. Everyone means well mostly. Good luck!

So, it does appear that a small piece of clear vinyl/plastic was installed over the worst part of wear (right above the red 2X, 3X, and 5X multipliers). But that has been there as long as I can remember and was likely installed by Americal Amusement, in Lancaster, PA before we bought it.

Yes, if I were the one who was having this serviced, I would have requested a nice Brazilian wax job and some upgraded balls, as well. Unfortunately, my parents are not the type to know anything about that.

#50 1 year ago

theguru717 They have a saying around here, cash on the glass. I too want to get the max out of something when I'm selling it but more then once I have went even lower then a price a I had already set in my mind that I would go no lower then. If you have a real buyer in person looking at the machine and you are comfortable with that cash offer I say go for it. If your price of $1300 is firm then just change your add to say firm and ride it out until you find that buyer.

The tire kickers can cost you a sale don't let that happen if some one is serious they will let you know with $$$$.

GLWS

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