Price is ridiculous.

Is it? Seems like I’ve been seeing several Shadows around this price lately. Here are the last three completed. Plus one at $8500 pending.

Full disclosure, I own a Shadow. But the prices have been so high I’ve thought about selling mine to be honest.

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Yes it's ridiculous. And so are those other sales.

Estimated sales are 4k-4600

You can’t honestly tell me you sell based on the Pinside estimate, right? Everything is WAY up from those values. I’ll take all of the DP Pros you can find at the Pinside estimate of $5500. Literally all of them.

It’s my fault though. I thought you were saying the price was actually ridiculous, not just ridiculous in your mind. We were talking different things.

that Sanctum looks clean af

No, the price is ridiculous in my mind as well as the majority of collectors, with the exception of you and the other Shadow owners liking your posts.

I agree that the price is crazy high (hence why I said I was thinking of selling) and I would never buy at these prices, but the prices people are getting are telling of the market. You do you man, but to shit on this guy’s post claiming the price is “ridiculous” is just ignorant of current pricing.

That's just it. CURRENT PRICING IS RIDICULOUS.

THAT'S the issue.

He's asking above NIB pricing for a Williams 90's B level pin.

Anybody care to tell me what the "estimated Pinside value" is on a Bad Cats machine?

Yes, yes it is. And yet, apparently people are paying it, so what can you do.

I'd rather my Shadow was worth $3k and the whole market followed suit personally. Won't see me price pumping because I own and love the game.

But I don't think dogpiling any individual sale is going to change the fact that you can ask dumb prices for your games now and they'll still sell.

The whole "B level" thing was always stupid, but it's doubly so now. It's a classic game. It mostly got Alec Baldwin hate, and well, that's been solved lol.

Probably lower than a restored one.

The price is only "ridiculous" if you are comparing it to prices from a couple years ago. Current prices are crazy across the board. I can't even believe what I am seeing some games sell for, but as has always been the case, something is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it. Time will tell if the price on this particular game is too high for the current market, but there aren't a lot of Shadows floating around out there, especially ones with no sanctum wear. I'd definitely want to see some better photos for $8k, though.

A, B, C ... You can label it whatever you want. The fact of the matter is that Shadow is a f***ing awesome game that is way more fun than games that sell for much more money. In my opinion, you should be yelling at the assholes that are paying over $16k for a Stranger Things.

What was Bad Cats sales valued at when you asked $6500 for yours?

Just curious.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-bad-cats-19

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Mine was restored. And I think Levi beat you to your “clever” post.

I give up. You guys wanna pay insane prices for pins and not speak up, so be it. Wasting my time.

I agree that the price is high, but that's also what the market is commanding... apparently. Is The Shadow the new IJ?

The rest of the seller's ads are more than fair. I can't blame him one bit for researching current market value and posting his game to match.

I'll never understand why some games go way up and others don't.

GLWS OP!

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Nobody wants to pay insane prices, but the market is what the market is. As much as I'd love to see prices return to pre-pandemic levels, it just isn't going to happen as long as the demand outweighs the supply. The good news is that high prices means that our hobby is thriving.

He's on "the list" for a reason. Both of you contribute nothing but negative energy more and more.

As for you and your double standard behavior, you can take a long walk off a short pier, considering you wanted OVER a Pro price at the time of that Bad Cats sale.

Just your responses on page #1 of that thread strongly implied you KNEW you were out of line with that price and had this sense of defiance to the very end. You had 50 posts out of what, 169 posts - almost 30% of that entire thread was you lashing out and defending what you knew was a ridiculous price.

As for market prices: it is happening to ALL of us. It is either pay or don't pay, and some of us WANT to pay what the market asks. I paid $6800 for JP Pro bone fucking stock. Guess what: now the dang game is selling for over $7000. So did I "overpay" ? Maybe in your world, but guess what, I don't live there and don't give a rats ass.

So, get out from 2015 or so and get with the times or stay stuck in the past yelling at clouds.

Estimated sales are way off, they don't account for all sales, condition, and especially the current market. I'm not sure how much this game should be priced at but it's much higher then $4k - $4600.

The Pinside estimates, at least on popular games, are way out of whack these days because prices have risen so quickly. I bet you could slap an additional 30-40% on to most titles and they would be significantly closer to the actual street price.

Wait, you actually wrote:

"And remember inflation with lumber. Easily $1000 of plywood in this sucker!!"

in your sale ad. That's pretty good.

For WMS games multiply by 1.5 to get in the ballpark. This feature is worthless and should be disabled really. I hate when people trot it out like it has any accuracy or meaning at all.

Price police never retire. They just take jobs in private security.

You get a thumbs up from me for showing proper picture of the sanctum. The number of "mint" Shadows with trashed sanctums.

I am not here to say anything about the price situation... in my book if the seller can get that then more power to him! This crazy price situation will correct itself at some point (won't it????) and then hopefully things will be a bit more realistic.

I did want to put in a good word for this seller, though. I've bought games from him in the past and have always found them to be fairly and accurately represented in his pictures and verbal descriptions.

Partially restored based on the pictures, no where close to fully restored. Pinside estimate is $3050 - $3550 though, that must be right, no where close to the $6,500 asking price. There are a lot of different factors that affect pricing (the new ramps and decals you installed on the game for example) which is why Pinside estimates are not accurate.

Everybody selling a game has an explanation as to why theirs is way out of the ridiculous "pinside price guide" that is about 5 years out of date, even when they constantly whine about everybody else's "crazy" prices.

"Well, my Bad Cats was restored!!"

"Well, my Shadow has no Sanctum wear!"

"Well, my Shaq Attack was once owned by the big man himself!"

In other words, "my shit don't stink," which we all know is the unofficial Price Police motto. The leadership ranks of the Price Police Force prove this time and time again.

guess i'll shop mine out thats been sitting in the basement unplayed now for 7 yrs.

Damn, I mean, either play it or sell for whatever price to someone else, but Shadow is a great game. Anyone looking down on it as a "B" title is a fool in my book.

Call me a fool all you want. You clearly are obsessed with the game. To each their own.

But to me it doesn't rank amongst the A titles of that time. I found the game boring after awhile and too dark. Just not fun.

I'm here to hang out and talk pinball, not going to apologize for saying I enjoy one of my favorite games.

Anyways, Shadow has an upper playfield, that's extra plywood!

Wait, A Shadow sold for $11500 on pinside? Well, might be time to put a ad up.

your opinion is your opinion. But the value of the game is not based on it.

i'll never understand why you feel the need to interject into every FS ad with your input. Just imagine if your neighbor was selling their home, and while standing outside talking to the prospective buyer, you come marching up the driveway yelling "This home is overpriced! Don't buy this! just look at the trailing Avg home sale prices!! Also, this house sucks!". Think about the ass-kicking you'd probably receive, if not just have a harassment report filed against you with the cops.

So why do it here?

He always says he does it to protect his fellow Pinsider, which is pretty hilarious as he doesn't seem like the most caring type. And ridiculous, as no price cop in the history of pinball has EVER had any affect on the actual selling price of a pinball machine, nor affected the market in any way at all.

The truth is far more banal; it (used to be) fun to be a price cop. You'd pick on someone for selling a $3,000 Toledo, you'd get a ton of upvotes, and a bunch of other dimwits with nothing better to contribute around here would pile on. It was a nice way to pass the time and boost the ego.

Now it just makes you look like a crabby idiot. If current trends continue, a Shadow in gorgeous shape like this one for $8,000 is going to seem CHEAP in a year, like how an IJ in almost any shape would sell for that price in 10 minutes today, whereas a year ago it would have brought out the entire squadron to abuse the seller. Almost every price police thread these days ends with a triumphant "Sale pending" tag and a bunch of officers licking their wounds, praying that it's all a fantasy that some lunatic just spent $9,000 on a Metallica pro, and wondering how the bad guy got away, like Roscoe P Coltrane seeking solace from his basset hound behind the wheel of an overturned Plymouth Fury.

The price police had an AWESOME run, like 10 years of nonstop rule around here. Now their day is done, and it's time to go quietly into that good night, or find another hobby. Like ruining your neighbor's home sales.

If it’s priced too high, then it won’t sell. At the end of the day, the market will dictate the price.

What ever ends up happening with prices or the police can someone still randomly quip
“can you have sex with the coin door?”

That’s one of my all time favorites.

Pretty sure based on the pinside price estimate, The Shadow is the cheapest game in the pinside top 50. Game has been undervalued possibly due to it being based on a bad movie and its difficulty to maintain. But it’s a great player, fantastic playfield art with good animations and sound. Also possibly the best upper playfield in pinball. I regret selling mine.

I sold my disassembled Shadow two months ago for $4000. Completely taken apart for a few years because it was my 3rd one and I had just moved on from it. Pay me $4000 to not put it back together? Yup!

Did you just hand it over in a burlap sack?!

It would be nice if somehow Pinside could adjust the estimated value to more current prices.

Boxes of labeled parts plus a full photo album of disassembly pics. Playfield was stripped down and Sanctum wear filled, but never sanded down smooth and finished.

This is currently being discussed behind the scenes.

Feel sorry for the self-learning algorithms. They'll have to learn to adjust 8 to 15 percent changes each week.

I’d pay $4k all day long for a complete but disassembled wms

Pfft. It's easy. You just take the number of days until Xmas, the delta between $10k and the current price, divide it by the days, and add that every day.