For the record........I support this Pinsiders right to flip.

Wow. Seems completely inconsistent with Whys Now current position. Lots of posts on that thread too.

Jimmy is one of the most honest people I have come across in the hobby, he just doesn’t stay quiet when your hypocrisy is on display.

Maybe you can share those huge personal issues with everyone so we can all be educated what to watch out for?

Here's some more math....

- Buy a "spot" for $1500
- Flip it for $2500 3 days later
- Make 67% profit in three days!!!

What makes this "excellent"...
- no possession of goods involved - no moving games, driving to pick up, shipping, etc. -- SWEET!
- no time involved (3 days!) for the investment to skyrocket - AWESOME!
- high profit, with low investment - no need to spend $8K, and flip for $1K profit, $1.5K is all you need
--- You can even charge the 1.5K on a credit card, and pay it off before the bill arrives!!!
- the best part... You are making someone who missed out extremely happy

It's a total win-win for all involved

Touche!
Remind me to send you my credit report, shoe size, and urine sample after this sale so you can know more about me!

Pinsiders keep getting richer and richer. I've seen pics of the game rooms and sports cars. Most of you didn't make that money by being saints. If "business is business" for you, that's how it should be for everyone else.

And besides, there is a pattern that game anticipation is more exciting than game delivery. Spots often go over the initial price. Games usually fall in price.

A few years ago, I "flipped" my Magic Girl spot for $23,000 and I was vilified for it. Iceman44 concocted and slandered me as being a shill for Jpop and the gullible Pinside mob happily piled on.

We are all here to make or at least keep as much money as we can. That's just smart personal economics.
Some people are incapable of looking inward and simply jealous when others do it better or in a different fashion.

Good luck with your sale.

I don't know if that is representative of everybody who would like to own a pin. There has to be a significant amount of people who can afford only maybe 1, but that is pure speculation.

I'm just a low end pinball guy who wouldn't ever think of "buying a spot" for a game that isn't even built yet.....however, if I did and then sold it for an hefty profit just after I did, it would just make me an arsehole.

If my circumstances did change and I had to bail, then first person who hands me the same cash I've already put out gets my spot.

My 2 pence.....and I'll give the OP some credit, there's a few others selling already that need a throat punch for the price they want.

Good to know that I'm not the only one... haha.

I take objection to "all". Only because your personal ethics allow to screw everybody over in sight for personal gain, that doesn't mean it's true for everybody else.

It's not really screwing someone over if they voluntarily pay for it. This isn't like someone looking for a place to live when their only other option is the bridge downtown. FFS many of you 60 year olds act like 10 year olds.

When I start seeing you people put your games up for less than market value for strangers, not your friends (to start not drop) then you can start acting high and mighty.

That's fair but as soon as you do this with a limited resource with no value add then it becomes questionable. To take this to the extreme, think back to the thing with the epi pens, increasing the price drastically. Obviously that's not really comparable because this is not a life saving necessity, but where I'm getting with this is that different people have different ethics in terms of when they consider something like this frivolous.

Personal attacks of course are not called for and if it was taken as such I apologise.

Who did I screw over?
Wasn't I the one who got screwed by the slanderous lies told about me?

I retract "screw over". Wrong wording and is a personal insult which is why I apologise for.
"Profit from" is what I should have said.

That is what you say here because somehow you feel aligned with the OP.
If it was a "rich pinsider" that bought a spot that you wanted badly, and that pinsider was upcharging you 67% you would have the exact opposite opinion.

Consider pulling back from the Us and Them mentality, and just consider everyone's actions in the same light.
-- Don't do to others what you wouldn't want them doing to you.

Thank you for the correction. Very kind of you and rare to see on Pinside.

It's none of your business what someone else does with their property in the United States, sorry.

Ya unfortunately a lot of vitriol on the interwebs as it is and I feel bad adding to this unintentional or not. Seems like I need a life if I hang here on a Saturday morning insulting strangers, no less ones that share the same hobby with me that gives me joy in day to day life.

Not one of my proudest moments...

You ever heard of the stock market?

I'm certainly not aligned with the OP. I'm just not aligned with hypocrisy of "business is business" and "make all the money you can" philosophy for me, but not for thee. Don't read too much into the Us and Them moniker. It's simply my favorite Pink Floyd song.

I'll be sure to check in with you personally next time I want to sell something for a profit.

Cant really fault the seller, the idiots are pinsiders who will buy it. All you have to do is look at pinside history and you will see all you have to do is be patient and let the buzz die down and let another few machines get released and you will be able to buy one for Less than 1500 or wait and buy the game at a 20% discount used.

Seller is just capitalizing on a current idiot frenzy on pinside so how is he to blame?

Now that stranger things just leaked a video this is a tougher sell.

Imho, the spot should be non-transferable. This has nothing to do with the OP. The manufacturer policy is allowing this.

Non-refundable should be just that. Lay down your 1k and wait. When your order number (name) pops up, if you don't want it, you lose your grand and a new spot opens up.

As it stands now, scalping is almost encouraged.

But what do I know?

Doubtful.

That thing is fugly. It's like they looked to replicate the ugliest cabinet and playfield art packages in pinball history.

Gonna be a ton of fun to play when the projector breaks/goes down, too.

Sold (sold sold sold)
Out (out out out)
It can’t be helped
There’s no rick and morty slots about

With
Without
No denying
It’s what the whining is all about!

It’s a shame you say
There’s a price people will pay
But here’s what’s on my mind!

Making a Profit is ok
Unless it happens today
And someone buys your spot in line!!

Congrats on the sale! I am in line for a BSE and am keeping it and have no problem with this.

Stranger things looks terrible, can't compare.

That translight is horrible but I'm sure there will be plenty of alternate options.

What does one have to do with the other?

One is a true limited Rick & Morty game.
One is an unlimited Stranger Things game.

Has any previous desirable games ever been hard to sell because other games exist? No.

no medicine to take here. Congrats on your sale and I guess bigger congrats are in order to spooky. I had no idea the demand would be this high for the game.

It is pretty obvious that some people do not look at intent like I do in this world and I am comfortable with that despite their personal attacks.

Your intent and actions make it clear to me, and your are comfortable with that. Good on you as you own it and I can at least admire that about you even if I do not agree with it.

Sorry, but I wont be selling you the playfield. It is going to another pinsider that reached out.

? - are you going to look at them and masterbate or play them. I guarantee stranger things will be fun to play. Looks like lots more going on than rick & morty

Well the problem with the current situation is that it does encourage scalping, at least for very desirable titles like R&M.

A simple solution that is perhaps more forgiving of changing circumstances for buyers than simply losing their deposit is for Spooky to alter the terms of the deposit contract such that if you want to give up your spot they would keep a waiting list of potential buyers and so long as they had someone waiting to pick up a spot you would be refunded your original deposit amount, minus a reasonable administration fee.

If Spooky has no waiting buyers you are free to try to sell your spot privately, again, with an admin fee to Spooky for changing the reservation.

This would provide reasonable flexibility to buyers while eliminating the prospect of profiting from simply holding a spot in the queue, and also the tempation for folks who have no expectation of taking delivery of the game to acquire spots anyway to flip.

IMHO, buying and taking delivery of an actual game is a different matter and at that point the free market can do its thing.

You must be super religious with that kind of judgement.

Well, when you start your own pinball company you can implement those rules however you choose.

I learned 2 things in this thread.
1) Capitalism is still alive and well, thank God!
2) Whysnow is still an arrogant ass who knows everything and believes everybody should think/act just like he would...

It's just some good free advice for Spooky to consider. I'm far too short-tempered to run a pinball company and deal with some of the "personalities" around here.

Nice work! Scratched my head for a hot second then realized that this was a play on Us and Them. I like it.

are you talking about you housing math question?

3 bedroom house in Madison is typically 1400+. I rent for 1200-1250. That comes out to $400 per bedroom.
That means pre-tax household income needs to be ~4700 per month or 56k per year for the household.

This is well below the median income in Madison and my homes are well above average condition.

I am honestly not sure what you are struggling with on this? My homes are a great value and there is a reason I usually have a long line of people wanting to rent. There is also a reaosn my tenant often stay for multiple years and are happy with the value they get.

It's funny because a Big Lebowski just sold for $15,500 and the compliments rain down for the price while this post triggers so many.

Mornings like this make my slow Saturday workdays so much more entertaining.