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Quoted from cooked71:No doubt grizlyrig , just had a laugh looking at this thread from a newb’s perspective.
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As a somewhat newb myself (owner for only about 4 years), I can say that prior to owning and reading tons of posts on here, I would have NO idea what a new or old machine should look like. Considering the only ones I had played were at an arcade, there’s no way I would know. For those of you who think there’s no way the OP didn’t know the condition or that the machine has more plays than what the audits say, put yourself in his shoes and you’ve never looked under a playfield.
I’m surprised the OP didn’t close his account with some of the responses he received.
In all fairness (apologies to the OP) but the pin was priced higher than any BSM would sell for (I think unless it was nib) so it's kind of strange that he/she didn't just make a thread and ask what this of pin is worth rather than asking for nearly $10K.
This is a BSM not a Tron LE, there is not a huge uncharge for BSM anymore (IMO).
Quoted from rai:so it's kind of strange that he/she didn't just make a thread and ask what this of pin is worth rather than asking for nearly $10K.
Because he probably looked at eBay like every other uninformed person does. If I could count the amount of times I’ve asked about a game from a non-collector and I heard “But eBay said the price is around...”
Quoted from rai:In all fairness (apologies to the OP) but the pin was priced higher than any BSM would sell for (I think unless it was nib) so it's kind of strange that he/she didn't just make a thread and ask what this of pin is worth rather than asking for nearly $10K.
This is a BSM not a Tron LE, there is not a huge uncharge for BSM anymore (IMO).
Give it a rest.
Quoted from rai:In all fairness (apologies to the OP) but the pin was priced higher than any BSM would sell for (I think unless it was nib) so it's kind of strange that he/she didn't just make a thread and ask what this of pin is worth rather than asking for nearly $10K.
This is a BSM not a Tron LE, there is not a huge uncharge for BSM anymore (IMO).
Colson totally nailed it when he said
Quoted from Colsond3:Because he probably looked at eBay like every other uninformed person does. If I could count the amount of times I’ve asked about a new game from a non-collector and I heard “But eBay said the price is around...”
As I already mentioned this thing pretty much fell out of the sky ( her dad's game room ) and showed up at my house one day because it had to go somewhere. Other than playing it a bit at his house and playing these in arcades I knew next to nothing about pinball machines. I also didn't really take the time to fine tooth comb it because I figured any collector that wanted it would and then tell me what it was worth and when I saw that it only said 33 balls I just blindly figured ok yea sure...
I also think I have solved some of the mystery about it at this point by interrogating my father-in-law and his wife a bit more. Turns out he did hardly ever play it BUT his bored wife was playing it while he was at work ... A LOT ... makes sense considering she is the one that bought it and he wasn't around to know. Sucks though because if I would have known that from the start a lot of the flaming would have been avoided, ♂️ LOL.
Once I got them both on the phone today I found out they bought it at a local place here in town called Amini's Galleria who sold it to them "New". The place sent a delivery truck out and a pair guys to get it upstairs. They never got to see a box or anything like that, but they weren't collectors and she was just buying him a cool toy they didn't think about it. It was carried up to the game room ( no box or legs of course ) and when they went back to truck they came back with black ones. Best guess on that is that they grabbed black on accident or they knew these people didn't know any better and kept the chrome ones.
From everything I have learned here my new best guess is that the wear is from her playing and never having it serviced or waxed or whatever it is you do to protect the field and lane. The balls are also a bit dull and old so that probably didn't help. The count I think is because it spent a lot of time unplugged. I think the battery might have just died ( Yes it does have a coin cell and it is in good shape ).
Either way this thread has been one HECK of a ride and trial by fire leaning experience!
Quoted from mav2287:Either way this thread has been one HECK of a ride and trial by fire leaning experience!
It always is here. It was nice chatting with you on the phone earlier....glad I could help.
I also got him take out the translite and open up the backbox. The battery is there, but he said no damage to the boards. Apparently somebody else stopped by and helped him test it out, showed him how to lift and get under the PF, and all mechs and switches work as they should.
It will be a good deal for whoever grabs it and I’m sure the price will be reasonable. Good luck.
Quoted from Colsond3:It always is here. It was nice chatting with you on the phone earlier....glad I could help.
I also got him take out the translite and open up the backbox. The battery is there, but he said no damage to the boards. Apparently somebody else stopped by and helped him test it out, showed him how to lift and get under the PF, and all mechs and switches work as they should.
It will be a good deal for whoever grabs it and I’m sure the price will be reasonable. Good luck.
Totally agree it was awesome getting to talk to you earlier and again thanks for schooling me on how to open it. Before the help I got as far as unlocking it, but couldn't figure out how to remove it. Thanks again Colson!
Quoted from mav2287:I also think I have solved some of the mystery about it at this point by interrogating my father-in-law and his wife a bit more. Turns out he did hardly ever play it BUT his bored wife was playing it while he was at work ... A LOT ... makes sense considering she is the one that bought it and he wasn't around to know. Sucks though because if I would have known that from the start a lot of the flaming would have been avoided, ♂️ LOL.
It doesn't really matter where the plays came from, but based on the info you've laid out and the audit pictures that used to be attached to the ad, she couldn't have played it much. Like you said, no one knew how to get into the machine to reset audits or update code.
There's just no chance it was new when they bought it. It didn't come out of a box with those legs. Again, not that it matters.
Quoted from mav2287:Colson totally nailed it when he said
As I already mentioned this thing pretty much fell out of the sky ( her dad's game room ) and showed up at my house one day because it had to go somewhere. Other than playing it a bit at his house and playing these in arcades I knew next to nothing about pinball machines. I also didn't really take the time to fine tooth comb it because I figured any collector that wanted it would and then tell me what it was worth and when I saw that it only said 33 balls I just blindly figured ok yea sure...
I also think I have solved some of the mystery about it at this point by interrogating my father-in-law and his wife a bit more. Turns out he did hardly ever play it BUT his bored wife was playing it while he was at work ... A LOT ... makes sense considering she is the one that bought it and he wasn't around to know. Sucks though because if I would have known that from the start a lot of the flaming would have been avoided, ♂️ LOL.
Once I got them both on the phone today I found out they bought it at a local place here in town called Amini's Galleria who sold it to them "New". The place sent a delivery truck out and a pair guys to get it upstairs. They never got to see a box or anything like that, but they weren't collectors and she was just buying him a cool toy they didn't think about it. It was carried up to the game room ( no box or legs of course ) and when they went back to truck they came back with black ones. Best guess on that is that they grabbed black on accident or they knew these people didn't know any better and kept the chrome ones.
From everything I have learned here my new best guess is that the wear is from her playing and never having it serviced or waxed or whatever it is you do to protect the field and lane. The balls are also a bit dull and old so that probably didn't help. The count I think is because it spent a lot of time unplugged. I think the battery might have just died ( Yes it does have a coin cell and it is in good shape ).
Either way this thread has been one HECK of a ride and trial by fire leaning experience!
aminis is one of the highest retailers in the country. so he prob did pay 10k for it. don't doubt that one bit.
Quoted from stevevt:There's just no chance it was new when they bought it. It didn't come out of a box with those legs. Again, not that it matters.
I told the OP that there’s always a chance that the seller kept the chrome legs out of the box or off the game when he broke it down, and just gave him a set of black ones. Unfortunately I’ve seen sellers do similar things before. Or at least attempt to.
I've lost a lot of faith in Pinside over the last few weeks, and this thread just amplifies my thoughts. I posted a couple oddball technical questions last week and got almost no replies, while I watched a thread about a girl joining Pinside get a zillion comments. You all should be ashamed. This guy was clearly uninformed, as we all were at some point. He was completely transparent, and owned up to being uninformed. And anyone suggesting this is a 5k game, wants to buy it. All of your "obvious" reasons this game has more than 33 plays mean nothing to most people, and meant nothing to you before you became an internet expert. I think this game is 6k for a quick sale. I'd clean it up and ask $6500.
Quoted from Shredso:I've lost a lot of faith in Pinside over the last few weeks, and this thread just amplifies my thoughts. I posted a couple oddball technical questions last week and got almost no replies, while I watched a thread about a girl joining Pinside get a zillion comments. You all should be ashamed. This guy was clearly uninformed, as we all were at some point. He was completely transparent, and owned up to being uninformed. And anyone suggesting this is a 5k game, wants to buy it. All of your "obvious" reasons this game has more than 33 plays mean nothing to most people, and meant nothing to you before you became an internet expert. I think this game is 6k for a quick sale. I'd clean it up and ask $6500.
in all fairness. At first it appeared he was just trying to pull some shit. Which is the case 99% of the time. The 1% of the time a person is actually misinformed is such a rare thing, that most can't believe it at first.
Quoted from Shredso:And anyone suggesting this is a 5k game, wants to buy it. All of your "obvious" reasons this game has more than 33 plays mean nothing to most people, and meant nothing to you before you became an internet expert. I think this game is 6k for a quick sale. I'd clean it up and ask $6500.
You are too generous with your pricing. Here is a example local to us on pinside. Keep in mind condition equals value. Selling at 6K in real good condition, proper chrome legs too.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/80123
-Mike
Quoted from Grizlyrig:You are too generous with your pricing. Here is a example local to us on pinside. Keep in mind condition equals value. Selling at 6K in real good condition, proper chrome legs too.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/80123
-Mike
If you read the ad it says $7100 and he really only wants to trade. The price is what he calls a "placeholder".
Quoted from RustyLizard:If you read the ad it says $7100 and he really only wants to trade. The price is what he calls a "placeholder".
If you read the thread though, I modified it accordingly and placed it for sale at $6,000. The $7,100 was the Pinside suggest price and was clearly outdated as a result of the vaults and such.
Quoted from Shredso:I've lost a lot of faith in Pinside over the last few weeks, and this thread just amplifies my thoughts. I posted a couple oddball technical questions last week and got almost no replies, while I watched a thread about a girl joining Pinside get a zillion comments. You all should be ashamed. This guy was clearly uninformed, as we all were at some point. He was completely transparent, and owned up to being uninformed. And anyone suggesting this is a 5k game, wants to buy it. All of your "obvious" reasons this game has more than 33 plays mean nothing to most people, and meant nothing to you before you became an internet expert. I think this game is 6k for a quick sale. I'd clean it up and ask $6500.
So you’re buying that the audits say 33 balls but the OP or any relatives that had possession of the game did not know how to update or erase old audits.
First the story was no one played it for a decade then the story was the fathers wife played the crap out of it because she was bored all day.
Honestly this back story stinks and it’d be better if the game was presented as it is not with some made up story attached.
IMO
Quoted from Colsond3:[quoted image]
Wow ! I did not know this thread had grown so much. I sort of got hung up on post #78 when Colsond3 posted this pic that about put my eyes out. Wow !
It looks like she turned 18 about 3 seconds before the photographer snapped the pic 
Quoted from rai:So you’re buying that the audits say 33 balls but the OP or any relatives that had possession of the game did not know how to update or erase old audits.
E2AC45B2-F86E-4BAF-AF6D-67E472B2DBC9 (resized).pngQuoted from mav2287:Colson totally nailed it when he said
As I already mentioned this thing pretty much fell out of the sky ( her dad's game room ) and showed up at my house one day because it had to go somewhere. Other than playing it a bit at his house and playing these in arcades I knew next to nothing about pinball machines. I also didn't really take the time to fine tooth comb it because I figured any collector that wanted it would and then tell me what it was worth and when I saw that it only said 33 balls I just blindly figured ok yea sure...
I also think I have solved some of the mystery about it at this point by interrogating my father-in-law and his wife a bit more. Turns out he did hardly ever play it BUT his bored wife was playing it while he was at work ... A LOT ... makes sense considering she is the one that bought it and he wasn't around to know. Sucks though because if I would have known that from the start a lot of the flaming would have been avoided, ♂️ LOL.
Once I got them both on the phone today I found out they bought it at a local place here in town called Amini's Galleria who sold it to them "New". The place sent a delivery truck out and a pair guys to get it upstairs. They never got to see a box or anything like that, but they weren't collectors and she was just buying him a cool toy they didn't think about it. It was carried up to the game room ( no box or legs of course ) and when they went back to truck they came back with black ones. Best guess on that is that they grabbed black on accident or they knew these people didn't know any better and kept the chrome ones.
From everything I have learned here my new best guess is that the wear is from her playing and never having it serviced or waxed or whatever it is you do to protect the field and lane. The balls are also a bit dull and old so that probably didn't help. The count I think is because it spent a lot of time unplugged. I think the battery might have just died ( Yes it does have a coin cell and it is in good shape ).
Either way this thread has been one HECK of a ride and trial by fire leaning experience!
fair play for sticking around and putting the record straight pinside pitch forks usually scare ppl off 
Quoted from rai:So you’re buying that the audits say 33 balls but the OP or any relatives that had possession of the game did not know how to update or erase old audits.
First the story was no one played it for a decade then the story was the fathers wife played the crap out of it because she was bored all day.
Honestly this back story stinks and it’d be better if the game was presented as it is not with some made up story attached.
IMO
You have no idea how much I wish I would have just put as-is on it.... I am just a guy trying to sell the thing parked in my garage so I can my wife to stop yelling at me about not being to park.
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