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Quoted from pinmister:I just clicked on that Ebay listing for MG from Kaneda for $45,000. I find it interesting that he is using a reputable pinsider name as his ebay identity. Fattrain11? Lame
I can't tell if you're joking or not? 
Quoted from Skins:I can't tell if you're joking or not?
ebay.com link: 711 53200 19255 0
Not a joke but Kaneda is
Quoted from pinmister:ebay.com link
Not a joke but Kaneda is
That's not Kaneda's listing. It really is fattrain's listing.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:That's not Kaneda's listing. It really is fattrain's listing.
It looks like Kaneda's apartment in NY? I thought it was Kaneda based on You tube videos?
Quoted from pinmister:ebay.com link
Not a joke but Kaneda is
That is fattrain's. He posted the link in one of these threads somewhere. He used pictures of other owners unboxing since his is still in the box. The ad states: Still BRAND NEW in the box! (Note: The pics are from various other magic girl owners who have opened their game)
Ah I guess I should have read location first- in California. It does have a NY apartment look to the picture. My mistake
Nobody in this thread is "looking out for the pinball community".
You need to really get over yourself if you feel that way.
What is happening is that a bunch of people are shitting up someone's for sale thread. That is uncalled for. [comment removed]
JPOP has made everyone lose their damn mind.
GLYTS. You deserve better than this.
Norwood, MA
Quoted from Cornelius:Nobody in this thread is "looking out for the pinball community".
You need to really get over yourself if you feel that way.
What is happening is that a bunch of people are shitting up someone's for sale thread. That is uncalled for. [comment removed]
JPOP has made everyone lose their damn mind.
GLYTS. You deserve better than this.
Ya. But just look at all the free bumps he is getting!!!!!!
Quoted from Mfsrc791:Ya. But just look at all the free bumps he is getting!!!!!!
I guess!
Quoted from Mojosan:Completely disagree.
I'm in the market for a MG. I'm hardly a "sucker."
There are people in, literally, every hobby that exists who want to collect what just does it for them. Cars, watches, wine, fountain pens, antique furniture, cigarette lighters, fishing flys, etc, etc, etc... Every single hobby has rare or unusual items that enthusiasts in that hobby are drawn to.
What's really insulting is when the prospective buyer asks you to take a picture of the shooter lane on your fountain pen.
Quoted from rai:Many people think of something is desirable and sought after because it's positive or significant not like BM66 SLE which is a marketing gimmick.
Quoted from iceman44:I'm thinking Odiner is going to sell his piece of shit BM66LE for chump change and add another $20K on top for this fabulous beauty!
Quoted from Richthofen:Anyone in New England who collects pinball has probably bought a game from this seller, Lorenzo. He's a good dude, fair dealer.
Just kidding Lorenzo...had to chime in. Good luck with the sale bump.
Quoted from sevenrites:the prices on these Magic Girl games must be a huge boost to his ego. Coupled with actually delivering a few games, he's probably feeling a great sense of pride and accomplishment.
Of course he does. He's the most delusional, narcissistic, duplicitous AH I've ever met.
Quoted from Cornelius:What is happening is that a bunch of people are shitting up someone's for sale thread. That is uncalled for. [comment removed]
JPOP has made everyone lose their damn mind.
Boo Hoo. For the ONE MILLIONTH time if you don't want comments DO NOT link a goddamn thread to your Market ad; it is just that simple.
Once again what are you helping exactly? Nothing, just pissing and moaning aboot someone's thread being ruined, whilst you shit all over it yourself, and yet pat yourself on the back like you're an ace guy. 
Stop giving Jpop any credit, rare games are rare games; and people want them. Shit we lost our minds when when Stern was charging 15K, what the hell did you think was going to happen here?
Now, just like I meant when I upvoted the OP when he made this thread, Grand Lizard with sale. 
Quoted from TRAMD:I disagree. It is what makes Pinside the best place to purchase a pin. The deals will always be more fair here. The seller is always welcome to place the ad without the forum post or to avoid Pinside entirely. They will have less exposure and be less likely to sell their pin but they will have a better chance of ripping someone off elsewhere. The community watches out for each other here and I think that is overall better for the future of collecting. There is a for sale thread for a Hobbit SE for $7500 and I have posted twice there about what a good deal it is. The more Pinside is known as a place for fair deals, not rip-offs, the better.
Well said. The seller obviously wants to discuss his for sale ad or he would not post it in a discussion forum. Then you must take the good with the bad. . I think there is a lot of value knowing what others think of the price. It makes the transaction more fair for both parties. If you got thin skin stick to for sale ads in you local paper or Craig's list.
Quoted from TheLaw:Boo Hoo. For the ONE MILLIONTH time if you don't want comments DO NOT link a goddamn thread to your Market ad; it is just that simple.
Once again what are you helping exactly? Nothing, just pissing and moaning aboot someone's thread being ruined, whilst you shit all over it yourself, and yet pat yourself on the back like your an ace guy.
Stop giving Jpop any credit, rare games are rare games; and people want them. Shit we lost our minds when when Stern was charging 15K, what the hell did you think was going to happen here?
Now, just like I meant when I upvoted the OP when he made this thread, Grand Lizard with sale.
+1000
I watched some of Kaneda's Youtube videos and this is a great looking game. The artwork is amazing and the lighting and general layout look fantastic. Too bad it will probably never be a reasonably priced and complete game.
Quoted from frankmac:Magic!
Is this yours? If so , what number?
Quoted from TheLaw:Boo Hoo. For the ONE MILLIONTH time if you don't want comments DO NOT link a goddamn thread to your Market ad; it is just that simple.
Once again what are you helping exactly? Nothing, just pissing and moaning aboot someone's thread being ruined, whilst you shit all over it yourself, and yet pat yourself on the back like your an ace guy.
Stop giving Jpop any credit, rare games are rare games; and people want them. Shit we lost our minds when when Stern was charging 15K, what the hell did you think was going to happen here?
Now, just like I meant when I upvoted the OP when he made this thread, Grand Lizard with sale.
"Golden rule".
"Be nice".
Please, PLEASE stop saying things like "it's all about you" to give yourself an out for being a jerk. It's not about me AT ALL, it's about this dudes sale, it's not about your opinion of the game or how much it costs or anything. What gives you the right to shit up a persons sale thread? Are you so arrogant that you constantly find yourself above the rules?
JTF. I shouldn't have to explain that to grown adults.
Quoted from LitzDoc:+1000
Congrats dude. Do you go to car dealerships and attempt to get people not to buy the cars on the lot?
Grown ass men.
If you can't take criticism then don't post in a thread. Bye the way if I heard someone getting ripped off by a car salesman or anybody else you are damn right I would say something. And I have. I don't like seeing people getting ripped off. Especially people who don't have the means.
Quoted from rai:I am just trying to explain why some people could care less about MG.
I think the rationale is that when you talk about cars, watches, fountain pens (etc..) several things are probably present not just rarity.
An expensive watch is probable a very fine piece of jewelry and probably was significant in some way in quality and design. If I made a watch and it was the only one that would ever be made it would be rare but it would not be significant.
Many people think of something is desirable and sought after because it's positive or significant not like BM66 SLE which is a marketing gimmick.
Example if Action Comics 1 is the first appearance of Superman and then Superman goes on to be one of the most popular super heros of all time therefore that comic is both rare and significant.
If instead there was another comic of that same time was the first appearance of Body Odor Man and that character never did anything after. Obviously there would be very low interest in that example. I am not saying BO comic issue would not be collectable as it was rare and old but it would be kind of like who cares.
If a comic book company said it was just producing an issue that was limited only so they could jack up the price that's not the same as a legitimate comic that was the first appearance of Superman. It's just marketing fluff.
Another example would be someone who collected let's say a guitar that belonged to Charles Manson. It historic and 'collectible' but a lot of people would see this as somehow a dubious thing to fawn over.
Finally just buying everything in sight just because it's rare and you have a ton of money is different than buying significant pieces of history or actually good.
I will say this game is "significant" and "historic" because of the way it came into existence though better terms might be "notorious" and "infamous". Some of the interest right now is to see what works and what doesn't.
I'm not interested in the slightest but I understand others' desire to own it.
Hopefully RAZA gets made for the people who had money in on it. I know I never expected MG to get made until they showed up in people's houses.
Quoted from dmbjunky:I will say this game is "significant" and "historic"
Only when thelaw buys one for the vfw 
I heard Rick is making a MGr right after he makes AFMr, MBr, CCCr, KPr, and BBBr. So if you start saving now you will able to purchase in 2050 when it starts shipping 
Quoted from dmbjunky:I will say this game is "significant" and "historic" because of the way it came into existence though better terms might be "notorious" and "infamous". Some of the interest right now is to see what works and what doesn't.
I'm not interested in the slightest but I understand others' desire to own it.
Hopefully RAZA gets made for the people who had money in on it. I know I never expected MG to get made until they showed up in people's houses.
It might be OK if it looked like it was playable. As it is now it's a good looking box and probably frustrating as hell to play.
If that gets anyone off, I don't know what to say. It's not as if you couldn't buy a fully restored 2-3 pins that were ne plus ultra and more fun to play. Whatever people get their kicks off on I guess.
Kind of just strikes me as someone who would buy it has little taste in pinball (but what do I know). I am not saying that I would never spend mad money on pinball machines but if I had NBA type money, I'd far rather get CQ AFM, TAF and CFTBL (or that type) maybe I'd spend foolish money overspend on some pins but at least get decent games.
Quoted from LitzDoc:Well said. The seller obviously wants to discuss his for sale ad or he would not post it in a discussion forum. Then you must take the good with the bad. . I think there is a lot of value knowing what others think of the price. It makes the transaction more fair for both parties. If you got thin skin stick to for sale ads in you local paper or Craig's list.
Quoted from LitzDoc:Well said. The seller obviously wants to discuss his for sale ad or he would not post it in a discussion forum. Then you must take the good with the bad. . I think there is a lot of value knowing what others think of the price. It makes the transaction more fair for both parties. If you got thin skin stick to for sale ads in you local paper or Craig's list.
I figured there would be a thread over load if I didn't leave the comment section open in this sale. Trying to leave it open so people can say what they want good or bad. Having sold over 800 games having thick enough skin is part of the business. With that said the price says best offer next to it, I had two offers and they backed off. We shall see if someone steps up but I am open to real offers if someone pm me that's serious. I'm selling it for a friend who doesn't have time to deal with selling, He was full in on raza money as well as magic girl.
Quoted from lllvjr:, He was full in on raza money as well as magic girl.
So he is a dumb now as in the past. You can't fix stupid, so maybe someone will double his $
I think you are doing a fine job in this thread. You have sold 800 games. Wow that's a lot. I think I have sold 3 or 4 pins. I like the FS threads. I learn a lot about the hobby and pin prices. I think it is very important that people are free to opine about the price regardless if they think is it too high or too low. I am sure we would not want a forum where people think that they must always agree with the OP or risk getting flamed. If this were the case then the forum would be worthless. Thanks for a good discussion.
Quoted from BoJo:I heard Rick is making a MGr right after he makes AFMr, MBr, CCCr, KPr, and BBBr. So if you start saving now you will able to purchase in 2050 when it starts shipping
This will be after the Cease & Desist letters to Zidware
Quoted from MotorCityMatt:So he is a dumb now as in the past. You can't fix stupid, so maybe someone will double his $
i would appreciate if u no longer post in this thread. Thank u
Quoted from lllvjr:i would appreciate if u no longer post in this thread. Thank u
No problem, continue on...
Are you internet heroes really trying to save someone from spending $33k? Save your super powers for someone overspending on a $3k No Fear. Anyone that can afford this pin doesn't need your help. Is the game worth 33k? Nope. If I had disposable income that I could throw $33k at it, would I? I'd negotiate something. I've probably bought 25 of Lorenzo's 800 games. I know where the game comes from and it's legit. I hope it doesn't sell so I can play it. Kidding. Here's another bump to add some more exposure. This game will sell for more than most of you are comfortable with because someone can afford it. Deal with it.
Montreal, QC
Anyone who loves JPOPs previous games like Theatre of Magic, Tales of the Arabian Nights or Circus Voltaire would drool over owning a MG even if it's not a functioning game. I would personally pay $15k-$18k for one because I can. Call me stupid but it's something I can't explain as a collector. The design and art is beautiful. Sure the project went down the tube, and people say JPOP is a fraud, he's not, he wasn't able to forecast costs, management, poor decision making. He didn't intend to screw anyone, just misguided. If I had deposited money and never saw a dime back I'm sure I'd have a different opinion.
Instead is scrapping the project, Jersey Jack should have taken over the project, nothing compares to JJ, they would have made this dream a reality, and if JJ did take it over I'd pay $15-$20k, unfortunately there's only a handful of people who would pay it therefore not filling demand. Once you go Jersey Jack you don't go back. With their talent, vision, and quality, they'd have easily completed MG.
Quoted from BoJo:I heard Rick is making a MGr right after he makes AFMr, MBr, CCCr, KPr, and BBBr. So if you start saving now you will able to purchase in 2050 when it starts shipping
Hilarious!!!
Quoted from TotanMan:people say JPOP is a fraud, he's not,
REALLY!!???!!
Quoted from TotanMan:He didn't intend to screw anyone, just misguided.
HUH!!!???!!!
Quoted from TotanMan:If I had deposited money and never saw a dime back I'm sure I'd have a different opinion.
REALLY!!??!!Now youre talking.....I didnt have any money in and I still think its an unmitigated disaster for pinball.
Im happy for those who got something for their money.
Price gouging on an incomplete game is gross.
Sorry OP but I dont dig your "flipper" approach to selling this game.For those that see this as a uber collectable.I cant understand that perspective.Its not even majorly manufactured.i.e incomplete,probably no parts or tech services either.
Quoted from TotanMan:and people say JPOP is a fraud, he's not, he wasn't able to forecast costs, management, poor decision making. He didn't intend to screw anyone, just misguided.
You lost me here.
I couldn't disagree more.
Quoted from TotanMan:I would personally pay $15k-$18k for one because I can. Call me stupid but it's something I can't explain as a collector.
Buy my RAZA spot for much less. Come join the wacky, zany, fun adventures of Zidware-land! Be a part of the excitement with: Missed deadlines, delusional thinking, forecast impossibilities, vague and misleading statements.
AND, if you act now, I will provide Jpop's phone number where you can listen to his voice mail over and over again. ** It's an I-Phone!! **
Visit the magical world of my sales hype here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-retro-atomic-zombie-adventureland
Whysnow approved!
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