Fine deal right here! GLWS Doug!

Great game, much better than GB bump

I have purchased a game from doug and he is a excellent seller !!

Which ghost busters are you getting? I'm picking up a pro next week. Ed

this won't last long

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Bump. Great guy.

First time I have seen JOUST for sale! Looks like a good project!

sent a few buyers over here.

Sent a PM

I sent a PM a couple days ago...

Can you open up the lower doors and show us the boards?

could you lift it up & photo the bottom
hehehe

man, i guess those people PM'ing me about buying mine didn't really want one.

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Just a bit of info about this, I was contacted about this a year or so ago....the buyer was interested in selling, then went radio silent on me afterwards.

I was forwarded to this post and was given first opportunity on this but he is nervous about accepting PayPal from me.

Now, the last time this happened on here (with a Rocky pinball) people told the seller I was a scammer, but they did not know I was the buyer. Now everyone knows my reputation here as a buyer, but the seller wants me to send a check or money order on this, yet the radio silent not answering stuff back to me before (and now not wanting to accept Paypal) makes ME nervous.

In any event, what do you all say about this? I would have to ship this. I would not drive 4.5 hours for radio silence to possibly happen. That happened to me once before with someone picking up an arcade machine in Alabama....

hmm.... i'd do paypal, no problemo. hopefully seller gets comfortable with this kind of payment method.

Kurt is a good guy and nothing to worry about. That said I would advise him not to sell to you if you are unwilling to send a check and wait for it to clear. If anything i would say your reputation is less than stellar. Also funny you mention radio silence as I have tried to buy from you twice now and questions were never replied to you suck as a seller in my experience so I would also assume you suck as a buyer.

Kurt >> I would steer clear and wait for the next buyer. Heck I am tempted to buy it just so this guy does not get it and we dont have to watch it sit on ebay for a 40% mark up for the next year

Just an fyi for the seller. I've sold a couple of games to DreamTR with no issues. PayPal friends and family and he had someone that works at the arcade come pick up the games at times that were convenient for me. Quick, easy, no issues. Nothing wrong with only accepting forms of payment you are comfortable with though. It may cost you a few sales but you will have peace of mind. In this case I don't think you have anything to worry about though.

I say the seller has been clear about his terms for the sale. If it works for you, great. If not, then don't buy it. Nothing is more frustrating as a seller than the buyer trying to dictate or modify the terms of the sale. We all like being paid certain ways for various reasons, don't take it personally. Just mail him a check. No way in hell I'd take a check or Paypal though.

Why is my reputation less than stellar? Are you confusing me for someone else because you are apparently attacking me out of the blue here. As far as I know you were defending SkitB Pinball for being a "good guy" as well and we all saw where that went. I couple you with them in my eyes based on your posts about them and the Predator situation.

Sitting on eBay for 40% markup? You do realize what I do for a living right? I own three arcades on Free Play for everyone to enjoy. I RARELY sell pinball machines unless I have doubles. If anything this makes you look worse here. I would like this "less than stellar reputation" explained since I don't rip anyone off and have been buying/selling console stuff for 20 years as a collector as well. This game is for the store.

By the way, I checked my messages for the past 5 years. I have 0 messages from your username. As far as I know you have never sent me one message.

are you not diskoboy7 on ebay? if you are not, then my apologies.

I figured based on listings both here and on ebay of the same machines, often in the same location and the same time that you were that user on ebay.

I've sold to dreamtr without issues. Not sure why this thread went sideways.

No, that is me on eBay. I thought you referred to this very forum since you were talking about not receiving messages. That eBay account is shared and a lot of times I definitely don't see all the messages so I apologize if you sent something and I did not respond. Not my intention and they definitely are lost in the shuffle.

No intelligent person is going to take Paypal (especially Friends&Family) as payment for a sale that large.

Checks (personal or money order) take 3 weeks to clear.

If you don't like the payment terms offered, buy another Joust.

And if he goes radio silent again?

You are assuming I am not reputable. This is the issue here. I have had thousands of transactions. This is not the same thing. I am not understanding why this is difficult to comprehend. All I have to go on is that he gets busy and is unresponsive and disappeared on me the last time. The pinball community ESPECIALLY this forum has a habit of disappearing on people. How the Paypal thing from a proven trustworthy buyer is an issue is beyond comprehending here.

And he said he did not "prefer" Paypal, he would rather have check or money order. This meaning he is not sure about trusting me when you can see my reputation if you do any due diligence on me.

I think it'd be more of risk to "pay" with friends/family via paypal because there is no buyer protection. Getting money that way would be fine. Just sell local only if you don't want to deal with it.

I understand not taking PayPal from unknown people, but I would take PayPal from DreamTr in a heartbeat. He has a great reputation. He's honest and will do what he says.

It does not matter how **trustworthy** someone is or is not.

Paypal is not a secure way to get paid for an expensive item.

Anyone can do a Paypal chargeback (yes, even with friends&family) with their credit card company and totally screw the buyer.

So no seller with a brain is going to accept Paypal for a $5,000 item.

Go pick up the game in person. It's probably less than a 4 hour drive for you.

Let's say Kanada phishes Dream's Paypal account.

Now, no matter how trustworthy Dream is in your mind, you are going to get ripped off when Dream reverses the charges for a game he never bought.

Don't fool yourselves, PAYPAL IS NOT SAFE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

I don't have time to pick it up. I have a kid, 3 stores, etc.....I do shipping on most things.

As I mentioned in my original post I have also "shown up" for something and the person didn't answer phone, door, etc. IN fact that has happened TWICE where I have driven 1 to 4 hours for an arcade or pinball machine. Radio silence.

What I gather here is you are saying I am not trustworthy because I "might" do a chargeback? Again, I am not a random person buying something for the first time here. What I gather here is I have money, I want to spend it. People (my goodness, anyone who googles/researches me) will not find any negative buying experiences with me, but you assume that I am not going to be taken on a check/money order/person not showing up?

Solid point Vid. I guess if an account got hacked you could get screwed.

There are a dozen ways to SAFELY sell online, Paypal just is not one of them.

What? The seller and I have texted about this for over a year. This is not one of those circumstances.

I get PayPal has issues. For people that know each other it does not. For normal buying/selling with trustworthy people, it does not. This is a simple "here is money let me set up shipping" transaction for the game.

Money order/Check = I am at risk
Pickup in person = radio silent, already shown that happened once with this seller. Heck I had people on standby with a deal we agreed on an he self admittedly "waffled" on this and did not respond.

Again, this is what I have to go by in a personal experience with the seller.

With all this talk about all of these "don't do this" type of stuff people in droves were more than willing to empty their pockets to "players" and "game designers" with no experience or rep in the buying/selling world but with someone with tons of experience I am the one that is getting questioned....

Baffling how this works here......Predator, Magic Girl, I mean, you should have heard the defense on those. There is ZERO worry with me. Proven for 20 years with this.

Again, baffling.

I have no idea if you are trustworthy or not.

You are just an avatar on the internet.

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But even if I knew you personally, I would not take Paypal as payment on a $5,000 item.

It's nothing personal, I assure you.

Again, two minutes of research/due diligence about me on the internet. But fair enough if you loathe PayPal that much. It is by far the most convenient but "everyone" runs the risk of being ripped off in every transaction on the planet by this logic.

Even if I know you personally, Paypal can (and usually will) screw me.

If I sell you a game, taking Paypal as payment, and your bitch wife reverses the charges on your credit card, I'm 100% out the money.

It does not matter if I know you, does it?

No, on large purchases, most people use an IES so neither party can be ripped off.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-not-get-ripped-off-in-pinball-vids-guide#post-1813455

I can vouch for Kurt being a great guy to deal with. I've delt with him several times and hope to do it again. If I was buying from him I'd pay him anyway he wanted it and not worry about it one bit. Ed

Was this thread about a Joust pin. for sale or am I reading another thread?

I've bought and sold tens of thousands of dollars with Dreamtr over the past 10+ years. He's about as reputable as they come.

This particular Joust has a significant amount of playfield restoration required.
Playfield planking is unrepairable due to age.

GLWS.

The nonsense keeps it bumped to the top, so the pin is getting lots of exposure.

I have never, and I know of zero people who have ever used an escrow service. I'm positive "most" people don't.

If you don't fully trust the person selling the game, don't buy it. I've been screwed, but never for full value, and never from people who have a good rep.

Things don't work out perfectly when you are in a hurry or taking more risks than necessary, or have to force the purchase.

Common sense can make any payment method "safe and secure".

Really???