So we don't have to endure the same stupid argument again, please re-read this:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-iron-maiden-legacy-of-the-beast-le

Good luck with sale.

I hope the pinside losers don't crash your for sale thread.

I saw RobT posting again, where's he at with the crying face image?

Too late.

Seriously...can you just not help yourself?

Stern price increase for next release confirmed.

Sack up, here you are crying after making money for doing nothing but reserving a game, whining about downvoters. Last time I checked your thread I didn't downvote you, but you downvoted me

If you don't want people making comments in public about your capitalism don't start threads.

Ill let mine go for $15,000. No less.

Lol

If you pre-order a game with no intention of opening it, playing it and actually enjoying it, why not just let the preorder go to a real hobbyist? I get buying a game, not liking it, and selling it soon after purchase, but these people who buy just to speculate take the games out of the reach of normal buyers and get these LE's in the hands of richer people who can afford the extra couple grand on top of the ALREADY inflated Stern LE prices.

Still running a cinco de mayo sale on mine for $10,800. Cheapest on Pinside

Because the potential profit can help fund other games?

Or buy a nice steak dinner?

Lots of good reasons to take the risk on an LE and try to make a profit.

These FS threads are getting to be all the SAME. Just WTF happened to Pinside? I used to enjoy reading these threads, especially pins that interest me. Not anymore.

I understand flipping a game to make some profit, I think everyone here in this site has sold something for a slight profit. At least take it home first, and play it and enjoy the pin for a few weeks, then sell it.

For every LE that earns a profit out of the gate, there are more that result in a loss. DILE and SWLE are recent examples...I picked both up for much less than NIB with 20 plays each. All in all, it probably evens out for some playing this "investment" strategy.

FWIW, I'd never simply buy an LE with the idea of making money. In any event, good for whomever is selling this...

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Why?

It's worth less as soon as removed from the box. Also, if people do this, it increases the chances of the completely idiotic term NOOB of catching on. Personally I think NOOB is a bigger threat to the hobby than the 5 people who manage to make a small profit on Stern LEs every couple of years.

2k markup on a preorder? That’s dirty man. Karma gonna catch up eventually. Glws

Because it is nice to see pinball machines go to people who ENJOY PINBALL. If your only goal is to buy and sell arbitrary things that don't matter to you in the least, go invest in the stock market rather than taking collector items away from true fans of the hobby.

We do live in a free market society.

Why would someone pay this when there are stil LEs available? I know of some right now.

I love the mentality of people like you. Where are you to purchase my other NIB LE that have dropped to below what I paid for them? I purchase one of every new LE title that comes out. I have not had the opportunity to play many of them yet so they are still NIB and chances are when I sell them I will be at a loss. Are you going to come in and save the day and pay me more than what market is so I don't lose money? See this goes both ways but your only willing to see it from one side.

The haters in my for sale thread refused to answer the same question when I posed it to them.

People get way too worked up over this stuff. If you don't like the price then just don't buy it. Lots of LE's plummet in value so if someone can make money on one good for them. No one is making anyone buy it. I'm not sure I would feel right about doing it without in being in my possession for a while but only because I would feel like I'm screwing my distro a little. It's a high demand LE that he could have used to grow his business so I would probably split the profit with them in a case like this. That's just me though and there's nothing wrong with what knockerlover is doing.

This isn't going to sell for his asking price, but if he wants to fish for a sucker so be it. Its a free country.

I like to see collectible things (which an LE version of a game definitely qualifies as) going to the people who are the biggest fans. What you just said about having NIB LEs in a warehouse is so sad to me. Pinball was meant to be ENJOYED and there are new, beautiful games sitting there untouched because they fell on the wrong side of the speculation curve. Speculators win some and lose some sure, but the real, constant losers are the people just trying to play new pinball machines. Because Maiden has hype, people are selling high. If it didn't, people would hoard them like Ghostbusters or Star Wars, waiting for a price gain that will never come. My point? Every day a pinball is sitting in a warehouse being speculated on, it isn't being played or enjoyed by a real fan.

People buy and resell stuff all the time. Its not uncommon especially with concert tickets. Someone is always willing to buy the new and hot item. The only real issue that people have is that it wasn't them that flipped it for more $$$. Whether it takes a spot away from the regular Joe Shmoo is another thing.

Pretty sure there are a ton of games to play in public places for all to enjoy because of him. I'm guessing he's a much bigger fan of pinball then most on here. People can do whatever they want with what they purchase. Sitting in a box in a warehouse is not any different then locked up in some guys basement that covets them like they are gold with almost no one seeing or playing them.

I’ve lost plenty selling my games like the majority of us. Really don’t see the problem with asking a premium for high demand items. In this case just wait for a premium and you get the entire full featured game for substantially less.

It’s not like they are only making 500 of the game and this is robbing anybody of their right to own one.

Heck, If anybody wants to pay me an additional 2K for my TNA or IMLE which arrive sometime this month I’d take that in a heartbeat and hop right to the back of the line and/or enjoy the hell out of my $5300 Maiden premium. Just please don’t tell anybody as I’d hate to be branded a monster here haha.

Remember Tron? Tron LE was $5K new. People sold them for $10K. All. Day. Long. Last time I checked karma peeked in and said "Caveat emptor" and left. Or maybe it was "Klaatu Barada Necktie!" Either way, why do you care? Did you want one but they were all spoken for?

Speculation is the basis of our economy. Get used to it.

I think the term some people are looking for here is rent-seeking

I'll take you up on that $5300 maiden premium!

Really don't get why so many get worked up over prices. Stern already jacks up the price for the LE to cash in on the whole limited thing. If a game is truly in demand, prices go up whether it is brand new or used. It could not be easier to protect yourself from jacked up prices - do not buy. If someone wants to spend $11k or $15k for an LE then that's their choice.

15000 for a nib with a nos le playfield. but that was the one true le. i agree with gorilla. we take huge losses on games. if we can make up for that, then so be it. and by the way, what about all the other games like the nib sterns people bought for under 4000 that now sell easily for 5000+. tspp, lotr, IM, tron pros, ......

I get that you ordered the LE and the game turns out to be amazing, so now demand is up and you can fetch more for it than you paid. When you said its was worth 8600 to you but not 11k, that made sense to me. What I really don't understand are the buyers at this price. I mean, they haven't even released pictures of the premium yet. What if they end up preferring it over this? Each time its sold for more than list, its going to be that much harder to unload without taking a hit.

Thanks for raising Sterns prices again.

Why would this be directed to the OP? He's not paying that price - apparently the market is. Wouldn't this be attributed to the buyer? He's not forcing anyone to buy the table....

Thanks for pointing that out. Plenty of people don't know that I have games out on free play but that is okay. I really don't come to pinside anymore because I get wrapped up in threads like this so I am not going to bother responding to him however I did think it was nice of you to say that.

Just about every hobby I've been involved with has flippers, or as we call them in the concert ticket business, scalpers. Maybe that term can catch on for pinball? "Flipper" already has a different, positive connotation in our hobby.

I'm not saying they don't have the right to do what they're doing, let's just call them what they are: scalpers.

P.S. Enjoy the free bump.

I know of two LE that have sold for $11k....seller will get it. This is a TRUE limited availability game in the US. GLWS.

These buyers are more interested in the perceived value - it has zero to do about art or gameplay.

They want something that others envy. Anyone can own a premium, but there are no bragging rights with that

Stern price increase for EVERY release confirmed, you mean.