Um, do you know something we don't?

Last I knew, some of the families and licensing firms representing some of the actors whose images, likenesses, and voices are all over the game aren't signing off on any new products of any kind whatsoever. Has something changed? What'd I miss?

I'd go 21 =)
And I would not hate myself for it

He knows a lot of stuff that we don't know. But in this case, not a huge secret that TAF is on the short list for CGC.

A few years for CGC = 20 plus or minus 5-10 yrs... LOL

I have a very nice TAF Gold and would not sell it for less than $20k... Two sold last year in Florida for $19 and $20k

Good Luck getting the licensing, it is not going to happen...Look at the 4 remakes.

I heard a lot of people saying that before the MB remake - “no way they can license MB - they’ll just do non-licensed themes”.

I call BS - any game that’s been made can be re-licensed.

It’s pretty simple math - how many games do we anticipate selling vs the license cost? I guarantee you they would sell a crap-ton more TAFs than ToMs.

The difference is that with MB you are dealing with Universal and it’s only one license holder.
With Addams Family you have not only the franchise license, but each and every individual actors likeness as well (some of which are deceased and you would be dealing with their estates).
If you don’t get everyone onboard you might get a remake with art like Data East Back to the Furure with a fake Marty McFly.

Right - maybe harder, but not impossible as some people make it out to be.

That and there is an assumption that the actors negotiated the original contract and royalty in such a way that requires their individual approval... I've seen some pretty crappy toys with Christopher Lloyd's likeness ( that probably didn't sell enough to recover the cost ), not to mention the plethora of photos and other stills for sale.

It can be done.

he's not a seller, he's just grand standing. Everyone, look what I have!!!

Which is cool with me. I was half tempted to up from my original $16,000 offer to $17k - which is actual money I will put on glass, up his rectum, or anywhere else he pleases... unlike the other "offers" in the thread.

Just because someone says they "would pay" doesn't mean they can.

I'll just take this money and buy rush pro at pinbrew and hopefully snag Weird Al sooner than the expected 18 week delay.

I think he’s a seller - he’s just not in a hurry. I can’t say that I blame him - it’s not like a comparable game is going to come up for sale anytime soon.

OP - take your time and get something in trade that you will enjoy.

I think TBL would be high on that list to have in hand. Or the NIB experience for Elvira LE or an SE. 15 month wait if you drop a deposit today for TBL.

I think TBL would be high on that list to have in hand. Or the NIB experience for Elvira LE or an SE. 15 month wait if you drop a deposit today for TBL.

25k...I will not play it though just to be honest. It would be hard to.
Problem now is that Jakes pictures are taking over lol...That hand is creeping me out. I want to focus on the machine for sale =)

It is listed at 12,345 so whoever is willing to arrange those numbers as the highest bid should get the machine! There are many combinations although 54,321 would win.

A very nice TAF HUO just sold for 15k.
Personally, I can’t stand when sellers put up an ad and say, Look at what I have, make me an offer.
Too me that is ridiculous.
You’re the one that put up the ad, you put up a price or say what you want. It’s silly and a gigantic waste of time.

a seller puts a sale price or trade value and the games he's interested in trading for. This ad is so nonspecific.

Money changes everything. Always.

Exactly. Why would the owners of these licenses turn down free money? It’s not like there are 20,000 TAFs out there already. What does it matter if there are 3 or 4K more? It doesn’t.

It’s really cool to see the clean unmolested routing of the harnesses in the backbox and cabinet. I’m going to save these. If you have more pictures please post them!

I hope no one feels these over exaggerated prices will hold.... once the chip shortage ends the prices will stabilize back to normal just like cars.

And for all you folks that dont ...... I have a whole stable of HUO games just waiting for you wonderful buyers.

Just curious, what does a chip shortage have to do with the price of a used product made 30 years ago most certainly not using any type of chip that is being produced and affected by said shortage?

You may be correct for Premium/Pros in the current rotation, but the supply of HUO TAFG games isn’t going to change (nor does the supply of limited edition and retired games).

I’ve watched this happen in other hobbies (Magic cards, Action Figures, etc). Trust me - the prices never go back down. If you have a stable of mint Beta Black Lotuses and Mox to sell me or a set of AFA95 SW 12 backs at prices from 20 years ago - I’ll buy every one you own!

Didn't respond to this or other "for sale" ad listed when I inquired. Nothing to see here... show's over... keep moving.

TAF is/was my grail game. When I first started in the hobby you could get them for $3500 all over the place and back then I thought that price was nuts. And those were eBay prices which are historically way over priced. Never pulled the trigger. This is the nicest original TAF/G I have ever seen. HEP is way nicer but to see an untouched or hardly played original is amazing.

Back about 20 years ago when I was buying most Bally/Williams WPC games for under $1000 (some even were in the $400-500 range), TAF was a $1800 game. I thought to myself that this was crazy and held off on buying one. A gold (TAFG) popped up for $2900 and I got the guy down to $2600. I believe this was around 2004. The good old days of getting cheap games is long gone now.

I’ve said it more than once-want to see more pinball in the wild? Reproduce TAF. There’s still a lot of coin-op operators out there of my father’s generation (they’re 65-80 years old now) that still have large operations and deep pockets. They remember how much money TAF made for them in the 90’s. If they’re walking the floor at AMOA Expo or IAAPA, and see a brand new TAF, they’ll have greed fueled flashbacks that are borderline wet daydreams and buy one just to find out what happens.

Think of the hurdles with licensing the Beatles. 2 of 4 deceased and a record label. How about for STTNG? That was then and this is now, but all the cast is on there.

I’d also have to imagine that the older the movie/theme, the less it takes for the license because the phones not ringing off the hook (and I know the Beatles is the ultimate exception)-though TAF is not your average 30 year old movie-there’s SOME THING special about it (see what I did there?).

Almost every property has different licensing rules & restrictions. I had to deal with this quite a bit in the video-game industry.

For example, for STTNG when we licensed the property, we got access/permission for all the (current) main cast. However, they still individually had image approval - for wherever their likeness was shown. Some of them were picky about it, others were like "whatever". Using an image of the whole cast was hard, because there were very few instances where ALL of them were okay with it. Williams also got several of them to do custom voice work - this certainly cost extra above the regular license fees.

As another example, when we licensed Mission:Impossible, we were not given permission for Tom Cruise's likeness (even though he was involved), but we could use "Ethan Hunt" (it had to be a "generic" looking Ethan Hunt). We did have permission for other characters & actor's likenesses (and got voice work done from a couple).

And these were both Paramount Pictures licenses.

Who knows what the details of the Addams Family license (from 30 years ago) would include or not include. It's possible it wouldn't be that hard, it also could be impossible. It also could be done with some work-arounds (i.e. modifying the art/sound to have a "generic" Gomez if Raul Julia's estate objects).

duplicate.

A High end restored AF would probably be around $25k so an original pristine low play should be about $3ok in my estimation.

Take it for what it is worth...Back in 2019 I talked to a very involved cgc person and asked about a Taf remake. All he said was, "Never, ever say never".
I'm not ratting him out..we all know know him...that's good enough for me. Does it mean they will? No. But those that have a Taf in suburb condition, have a reason to keep saying "it's not going to ever happen". I get that. We all seen what has happened to the values of any "original" games that CGC has remade. If I though my game was worth 15k to 25k, I wouldn't want one made either. All I can say for FACT, is NOBODY knows. Those that have a very nice example, I hope it doesn't happen...those that are hoping for a remake machine...you really never know. I think if they can, they will.

IMO it's time, too much longer....could mean they missed the boat.but again, it really could be because they can't.

kklank which HUO Addams Gold machine are you talking about just sold for 15?

if you look closely at the top and bottom of the playfield it does show indications that the game has been wiped down at least once if not many times in the last nearly 30 years.

I have to call bull on the "sellers" (and I use that term very loosely) claim that the game has never been "wiped down".

We all know that once a game is wiped down, the value drastically deteriorates.

It's certainly been regularly windex-ed and dusted over the last 3 decades. That's gonna detract from the value too. I think I see faint scratches in the glass from being dusted.

Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if the bottom of the casters are all scratched up too.

Why can't stern remake Tron?

But the other side of all that "free money" you guys think these families and license holders would rake in, are lawyers, entertainment lawyers at that. My guess is that now that their family member is gone, they don't want ANYTHING to do with hollywood ever again, in any way, shape, or form. Some people just sour to that whole thing and will never be swayed by money. I'm not saying it can't/won't happen, I just think it's very unlikely at this point.

I'm sure they could physically, but I'm also sure doing so would require a whole new contract with Disney and if The Mouse doesn't see incredible profits(which they probably wouldn't since they're not making currently doing anything with Tron and wouldn't see the point of a new licensing contract for such a potentially small run of a very limited market item), they don't go in on it.

I think if anything, newer/ NIb games might drop a little after the chip shortage, not from the manufacturers, but from the NIB flippers. Short run games, "Spooky" for instance will not drop as much since there will still be a "shortage" due to low production numbers, chips or not.

I think EM's won't drop so much. I don't think people bought EM's because they couldn't get new games. I think prices are rising due to more interest in pinball. I also think minimum wage hikes and other factors, are driving inflation on EVERYTHING. That's never going away. It's not just a lack of supply but a combination of that and growing demand across the board.

this for sale post should be removed IMO

I agree because it's not really a for sale post being there's no price or mention of trade games... it's basically a look at me post

Bump for selling it to me for $16,500.

He killed the ad instead of listing ad as sold. But he sold it for 15k.