Tbh. I owned Pirates and now I own GnR. GnR is way better IMHO. I am not saying Pirates is bad. It is a great game but GnR is on another level.
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Quoted from Oldgoat:Therein lies the challenge. People tend to value their stuff as the greater of 1) where the market is (which means looking at the $15k POTC as a benchmark) and 2) What they paid for or have in the game (which has nothing to do with market value). It's why you rarely see deals (items well below market) but often see items sit forever ("I have $6k in the game, so I'm listing for $5900...it doesn't make any difference that the last three sales were under $5k"). Who knows, maybe you'll be lucky.
Agreed, it makes trades a pain. Get a lot of well pinside says your game is worth 6200-7k but I will value it at 6k before I hear condition/mods. Pinside values mine at 7500 on the high end so I want that, even though it is bone stock, unshopped, and has issues.
My favorite lately was someone had an unshopped SS on fb marketplace for 5800. Little rough, players game, needed love. I have a player's grade freddy that is being shopped out. Rough cab, nice pf. They wanted it for 1800, but wanted me to make up the full cash difference for theirs. The greed in this hobby.
Quoted from TomGWI:Tbh. I owned Pirates and now I own GnR. GnR is way better IMHO. I am not saying Pirates is bad. It is a great game but GnR is on another level.
Maybe if your a GNR fan but I think Pirates has broader appeal, shoots better and probably the best upper PF ever.
Great game!
Danville, IL
Quoted from TomGWI:Tbh. I owned Pirates and now I own GnR. GnR is way better IMHO. I am not saying Pirates is bad. It is a great game but GnR is on another level.
Can you elaborate on that a bit? I've only played pirates on location (maybe 25 games) so don't have extensive experience. What separates the two in your opinion?
Quoted from Psw757:Maybe if your a GNR fan but I think Pirates has broader appeal, shoots better and probably the best upper PF ever.
Great game!
Honestly GnR is not my go to when I am listening to music. I do like Zeppelin. I will give a fair comparison when I play both. GnR has blown me away with how well it is done. Pirates is a great game but IMHO it doesn’t hold a candle to GnR.
Quoted from woody76:But you said if something is truly overpriced it will not sell. I do not believe that to be the case in this insane hobby. I know guys who over pay and know they over paid and dont care because they have a ton of money.
It's not overpriced if the market accepts it. Therefore if the pin that is considered overpriced sells, the mentality of those that think it's overpriced is the error and needs to be corrected haha.
I get your point though that some guys throw money at everything and that can distort.
Quoted from delt31:It's not overpriced if the market accepts it. Therefore if the pin that is considered overpriced sells, the mentality of those that think it's overpriced is the error and needs to be corrected haha.
Exactly. You are paying more for impatience.
Quoted from TomGWI:Tbh. I owned Pirates and now I own GnR. GnR is way better IMHO. I am not saying Pirates is bad. It is a great game but GnR is on another level.
I mean, the assets usage is night and day.
GNR is a relative bargain when compared to cost of my front door (which took 6 months to import and is just wood, glass, and hardware
Considering pinball machines are built my humans (in this country), it's surprising that everyone freaks out over price. Hand-made, quality items cost money!
IMG_0615 (resized).jpegQuoted from snaroff:GNR is a relative bargain when compared to cost of my front door (which took 6 months to import and is just wood, glass, and hardware
Considering pinball machines are built my humans (in this country), it's surprising that everyone freaks out over price. Hand-made, quality items cost money!
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Odd statement in a pinball forum but Dam I love those doors! No matter the cost those are beautiful.
Quoted from Yelobird:Odd statement in a pinball forum but Dam I love those doors! No matter the cost those are beautiful.
Thanks...me too. Money well spent. If I sell the house, this upgrade will pay dividends I’m sure.
The only reason I splurged for them was I live in a hurricane zone and the doors that the builder put on this home were a complete joke and were installed incorrectly (in-swing instead of out-swing, which isn’t ideal in a hurricane). These doors and installation are rock solid...the glass is bulletproof.
Quoted from TomGWI:Honestly GnR is not my go to when I am listening to music. I do like Zeppelin. I will give a fair comparison when I play both. GnR has blown me away with how well it is done. Pirates is a great game but IMHO it doesn’t hold a candle to GnR.
Are you able to dial-in the shots on GnR? I played maybe 20-30 games, just never felt I could reliably.
With Wonka, Pirates, Hobbit, even Dialed In, I got a handle on things. Everything about GnR I adored, but man...those shots still put me off. 
Quoted from wesman:Are you able to dial-in the shots on GnR? I played maybe 20-30 games, just never felt I could reliably.
With Wonka, Pirates, Hobbit, even Dialed In, I got a handle on things. Everything about GnR I adored, but man...those shots still put me off.
I've started getting a rhythm the past few days, but was really struggling in the beginning to find my flow. Im sure that will just continue to improve with time.
On a recent podcast a hobbyist claimed to have flipped his NIB LE for $12,500 without those hand crafted mods from Lior. In this manic market OP could probably get more as many can’t seem to wait for the hottest titles.
Quoted from snaroff:Thanks...me too. Money well spent. If I sell the house, this upgrade will pay dividends I’m sure.
The only reason I splurged for them was I live in a hurricane zone and the doors that the builder put on this home were a complete joke and were installed incorrectly (in-swing instead of out-swing, which isn’t ideal in a hurricane). These doors and installation are rock solid...the glass is bulletproof.
I wasn't aware we had hurricane zones in California....although on some level I guess it makes sense.
Quoted from PtownPin:I wasn't aware we had hurricane zones in California....although on some level I guess it makes sense.
On what level does it make sense?
You don’t have hurricanes in California
Calgary, AB
Quoted from hoby1:Your right...... let the market speak for itself.
fer fuck sakes.....I can’t take it anymore!! it’s “you’re” as in “you are” not “your” if you wish to be taken serious then seriously learn some fuckin grammer!! rant over....glwt.
Quoted from PtownPin:I wasn't aware we had hurricane zones in California....although on some level I guess it makes sense.
It's a Florida home...I only live part-time in Pasadena. This time of year, Florida rocks (especially since LA is basically shut down). LA without music/entertainment isn't much fun.
Quoted from misfitdart:fer fuck sakes.....I can’t take it anymore!! it’s “you’re” as in “you are” not “your” if you wish to be taken serious then seriously learn some fuckin grammer!! rant over....glwt.
OT but I’m reading this book ‘Blood Meridian’ by Cormac MacCarthy and he doesn’t use any quotation marks or note who is speaking and he also doesn’t use any apostrophes he’ll write cant instead of can’t. It’s maddening to read.
From my point of view, since I have a POTCLE. I would not trade it for GNRLE. But that’s only because I know I will eventually be able to purchase a GNRLE. I would only buy or sell my POTC le for something that is exclusive and hard to purchase.
Anyway good luck to Op. I hope you are able to obtain the POTC LE.
By the way it maybe easier to sell out right and the take the money and find a POTCLE. I think you are limiting your market on a trade.
Sydney
Quoted from misfitdart:if you wish to be taken serious
Taken seriously. Just sayin'... 
Quoted from cantbfrank:From my point of view, since I have a POTCLE. I would not trade it for GNRLE. But that’s only because I know I will eventually be able to purchase a GNRLE. I would only buy or sell my POTC le for something that is exclusive and hard to purchase.
Anyway good luck to Op. I hope you are able to obtain the POTC LE.
By the way it maybe easier to sell out right and the take the money and find a POTCLE. I think you are limiting your market on a trade.
I agree. I've had very little luck with trades over the years. Only done one locally, and it was because a pinball buddy "found" a HUO TZ in a neighbors garage that "wanted it out of the house". Think he picked it up for 2k and then traded it to me for a Stern Spiderman + some cash.
Quoted from hoby1:And just think ..... if there are no takers within the next 90 days for this pirates deal . You’ll be able to pick it up for 8700 when they start rolling out.
I never heard of including tax and shipping costs over list on a used game I sell
Hell I should of asked 9500 for my MMR classic with color, mods and 259 plays. Dam I knew I sold it too cheap
Glwt
Maybe you should learn sales
Quoted from rai:OT but I’m reading this book ‘Blood Meridian’ by Cormac MacCarthy and he doesn’t use any quotation marks or note who is speaking and he also doesn’t use any apostrophes he’ll write cant instead of can’t. It’s maddening to read.
Excellent writer. Have you read any Kerouac? Incredibly difficult to read at times for similar reasons, but totally worth it.
Quoted from cantbfrank:Anyway good luck to Op. I hope you are able to obtain the POTC LE.
Appreciate the input. If I'm unable to trade for any reason than I will pour myself into the game and find that piece of magic that I've found in all the other JJP games. I'm completely sure it exists, I just have to dig further to find it for myself.
Quoted from romulusx:On what level does it make sense?
You don’t have hurricanes in California
I guess because its on the coast, but we haven't had a hurricane in like 150+ years
Quoted from snaroff:It's a Florida home...I only live part-time in Pasadena. This time of year, Florida rocks (especially since LA is basically shut down). LA without music/entertainment isn't much fun.
Gotcha...I don't think many places are fun at the moment
Look all, prices are really through the roof, so old thoughts are no longer valid. Has anyone seen the POTC JJP LE for sale in St. Louis for $17,500 with sale pending? With no travel, eating out, etc. people have money to spend.
Quoted from PtownPin:If your focused on a POTC LE you'll be throwing another $5-6K+ into the deal assuming the POTC is in good condition. I sold my POTC LE about 6 months ago for over $16K
Updated listing for a Standard Edition as well.
Quoted from RyanStl:Look all, prices are really through the roof, so old thoughts are no longer valid. Has anyone seen the POTC JJP LE for sale in St. Louis for $17,500 with sale pending? With no travel, eating out, etc. people have money to spend.
Yes, I have seen it and it blew my mind that someone paid that much #1. for a pinball machine. and #2. for a JJP Pirates pinball machine. I have a hard time getting $2000 worth of pleasure from a game much less almost $20k.
Quoted from woody76:Yes, I have seen it and it blew my mind that someone paid that much #1. for a pinball machine. and #2. for a JJP Pirates pinball machine. I have a hard time getting $2000 worth of pleasure from a game much less almost $20k.
Its a great game, but I agree....price keeps going up because its very unlikely it will ever be made again.
Quoted from paulbaptiste:Updated listing for a Standard Edition as well.
Just saying that I highly doubt anyone will do that deal straight up (although u have a better chance with a standard)
Quoted from PtownPin:Just saying that I highly doubt anyone will do that deal straight up (although u have a better chance with a standard)
I understand. I also wouldn't pay 17k for a Pirates. Standard might be more feasible and shorten the gap between values.
Either way if someone is interested in a trade for either we could figure that piece out.
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