Dunno whats funnier. The 7500$ Gorgar you have listed, or the 6k Firepower with no pictures. Keep it up though..need me some comedy today.

Oh. IBTL!

Without pics,you are wasting your time and any possible buyers time.
I will also say that with pics it helps the archived database when the machine sells because it creates a gadge for comparison of condition to future Firepowers for sale.
-Mike

Talk about a 4th grade education waisted.

No expenses spared minus the forethought of posting this ridiculous ad with photos.

I mean. You put 4k plus your time and effort into a 3-4k pin. Good luck with your sale but some machines are a labor of love you never see the money back. Perhaps this is someones dream pin and will pay double its value - who knows. If I put 25k into a 100,000 mile toyota corolla and try to sell it for 50k..that don't necessarily make me intelligent.

No one cares how much time and money you put into a $1,200 table. You’re not getting that money back.

Might as well throw the cash in a barrel and set it on fire. I’m not paying you for that either.

People calling out high prices? Been that way always.

My advise if your asking big dollars for a lower dollar machine, don’t post a “for sale” listing into the forum. Unfortunately, you will get hammered pretty hard by pinsiders. Especially with no pictures.

Yeah, what's the going hourly rate supposed to be for labor on a personal machine you're now trying to sell? That's not how that works. You never get that money back in a private sale, no matter if it's a car, a game, or anything else. Did you actually factor 2k worth of time and labor in your price?

Could have posted pictures in the time it took to write this? Sounds nice. Interested to see the photos when posted. GLWS.

Come on fellas comparing this Firepower to other Firepower's is like comparing a crappy steak to a great steak
GLWTS

Man you worked really hard on that analogy !

I think Firepower is a really great game, especially in its day. But its day was over 40 years ago.

When you start pushing the price to $6k, there are just too many other games that provide a ton more to do at a similar pricepoint.

One can try to justify the price by how much was spent restoring, but that is not how a buyer determines the value.

Firepower is a cool game, but it's still just a step above an EM in depth.

He chewed on it for a while.

Evidently u don't know DK... jokes on u..

While I certainly don't doubt the money you have put into the game, it's quite easy to get in too deep on a project and end up upside down compared to the price that they normally sell for.

Man this crowd is tougher than a Waffle House ribeye !

More like a 2K and up game in this market but get your point still.

I know inflation is real, but come on.
$3 Each for levelers?

ForceFlow robin

Ads for pinball machines should not be allowed without at least 6 pictures.
If the seller can't have pics ready when placing the ad then it should only be a draft that can be continued and listed when pics are added.
-Mike

Will disagree. I've owned hundreds of pins and a well tuned Firepower always gets me coming back for more. The game is magical. He may get the price to the right buyer or a decent offer. Many people with crazy money are becoming pin owners for the 1st time. They want a game they liked when growing up and works and plays 100%. The cost as crazy as it sounds is secondary to many 1st time pin owners.

Then people will just put up fake or stock photos. It's not really a solution. Besides, the number of ads without photos is pretty minimal. Most people are interested in showing what they are selling so that they can sell it.

You spent over $100 on switches?? Why?

Reproduction CPR Firepower backglass, $269.
https://classicplayfields.com/shop/pinball-backglasses/glass-fpow/

Reproduction CPR Firepower playfield, $849.
https://classicplayfields.com/shop/pinball-playfields/firepower-playfield/

That's 350 bucks you could saved right there.

Milton187 if it’s powder coated white like the Gorgar, save yourself while you still can, and just delete these ads. And please, quit replying without adding pics. You’re not helping your case at all.

Rather than telling the mods and staff how to regulate ads and all this, one of y’all should create a sticky-Step by Step of how to and how not to sell on Pinside. I won’t because for one, I’m too lazy, but in all honesty, it would cut down on one of my great stress outlets-reading these ads!

How many of these things actually needed to be replaced? Can you post before pictures as well? Because I have a feeling you took a perfectly good firepower and dumped an absurd amount of money into just make a firepower that’s way more expensive than it should ever be.

Honestly, crap like this is just as much a cause of pinflation. Why would anyone put $4000 into a firepower? Just to show that you can burn money? And now there is basically one less firepower out there because even if someone buys this, it won’t get played.

What is there to look at? You haven't posted any pics

This better come with a free red stapler!

Have always found it weird that pinball hobbyists reference “labor”

It’s a f***ing HOBBY!!!

That’s a ton of cash to put into this game….I don’t know how you get to that much in this game unless you are counting labor but that’s not how this is done. I am about to restore EAPTM with new playfield, Ramps, decals, and a few other things….not including my time invested I will have under $2K in parts. Less than $4K with cost of game included. But I calculated what these sell for restored so if I ever want to sell it I will get my money out of it easy but not my labor.

But I will say that there are buyers that are willing to pay for a NICELY restored problem free working game. Some people just want to play and not fix stuff and it’s worth more in time/headaches to just pay more for a nicer game. But for older games there is a threshold in terms of price that you may as well buy a new game if you are looking to buy. $5K fully restored Firepower may be a stretch but not far off of a realistic price IF the restoration is nice..and as others have said post some pics…why place an ad of you don’t have the pics to go with it?

And to the OP…you are not new here but you know within this hobby name/reputation goes a long way. Why place an ad and not just put a few pics up with it? Makes no sense as you know a serious buyer is gonna want to see some pics. If the game is $7K nice a buyer is gonna want to see that…you might even get some positive comments to HELP the sale. Nice games sell themselves and lesser ones sell for less and I will leave it at that.

True, except it's usually more opportunist than hobbyist that are pulling this crap as of late.

Can we get some damn pictures already?

The thing is, even fully restored, things will need to be fixed if people actually play it. Most of the stuff replaced is cosmetic anyway. I understand that there is a market for very nice, restored machines. I just don’t understand why there is a market.

Even when he posts the pictures, there is no way I will be able to look at this and think it’s worth three times (or even twice) as much as the decent to good condition machines that have sold on here recently. It makes zero sense to me.

Motion to make "Pics coming Monday" a recurring joke for ads with no photos.

And that settles it!

If this post doesn’t placate the angry, rabid mob, nothing will.

The difference is a new rap song doesn’t do harm to a song you do like. You took a fun game (two actually) that lots of people like and made them ridiculously expensive. I think that is harmful and I’m saying something about it.

It’s true that people will pay for restored, pristine games. But it’s also true that those games will get played a lot less than average condition games going forward, because people want to keep them pristine. So all these beautiful restorations are causing less games to be played, which is the exact opposite of the purpose of pinball.

OMG, the drama. Restoring a game and listing it at a price you don’t have to pay isn’t ruining the hobby.

I think this might the first cargument that pinside has accepted as a valid point

I didn’t say ruining. I said harming. And I truly believe it is harming.

The game looks very nice based on all of the pictures and all of the work done. Is it worth $6k? Who knows but it may be around there considering everything put into the game and the work done. I can see $5k but again who knows.

Let's give the OP some credit, regardless of the price he posted a restored game with a new playfield, repainted cabinet, etc. How many listings have we've seen for similar era games at close to the same price but that are not restored without a new playfield, new plastics, etc? Many.

The lesson I have learned is that when you are thinking of fully restoring a pin and plan to try to break even or make a little on it, you better make sure the title is one where you will have a good chance of getting your asking price.

Firepower just isn’t a pin that I would put a ton of money in and think I had any chance of not being upside down on the resto.

If you love Firepower and want to sink a ton of money into one then more power to you, just don’t expect to get that money back out when you sell it.

A game is worth what the market will pay for it, how much you put into it doesn’t matter.

I see the price police is out in full force, OP it is a real nice Firepower!