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For sale: Fire!

By gordonshumway

1 year ago

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  • Latest reply 1 year ago by NorCalRealtor
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#2 1 year ago

Oooof. When using cool whites goes wrong. Looks like winter is coming.

Won’t even get into price.

#5 1 year ago
Quoted from Blackbeard:

I think he means your price is about 2x what these are going for. And that’s being generous.

... and that the cool whites in that type of game fits about as well as this type of color on this type of car.

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#8 1 year ago
Quoted from gordonshumway:

Sold the last Fire! for 3 and it wasn't near this nice.

Cool story. Well now we know what kind of seller/flipper you are. GL flipping your 2x valued, terribly LED’d players games to unsuspecting suckers.

#56 1 year ago
Quoted from gordonshumway:

but I'm not interested in giving it away

Quoted from gordonshumway:

I paid 2600 for this one

Herein lies the problem. It's a nice Fire, but you overpaid and are trying to convince yourself that $2.5K-$3K is fair market value. It's not. Let's consult the site you're on right now as a base reference...
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Now, do I believe some of the Pinside price values are lower than current market conditions? Yes. Yes I do. But that doesn't mean that good examples are suddenly worth double the above range, especially ones that need new ramps and plastics. Even if it were a 10/10 documented low play HUO, you'd probably be mid $2K to a collector (which is a narrow scope of buyers, and they probably want Champagne Ed. anyways)... but to your original post:

Quoted from gordonshumway:

Used Williams Fire! I'd rate the condition 6-7/10.

This isn't ebay where one can expect strangers to bite on ridiculous prices. This is a enthusiasts' website basically comprised entirely of people who know what stuff is worth and call spades spades. Fire w/ broken plastics, busted ramps, and defended by someone who claims to have only owned 2 pins, and not much other experience in the hobby is wealth of red flags... even if the rest appears solid.

There's also the fact that none of your photos show the Fire wheel on, and only a few of the building windows on the PF under the wheel are lit. People will also assume that this game is unshopped. For the price, this game should mention that is has been professionally gone through and probably have had the ramps replaced, perhaps rubbers upgraded, along with proof that all lights are on and the wheel works. Previous owners swapping LED's alone doesn't add $500-$1K in value.

#57 1 year ago
Quoted from gordonshumway:

It's a 32 year old-soon to be antique.

Sales pitches also don't work on this site. Most of the pinball machines in existence are older than Fire. Doesn't make them more valuable as a result.

#65 1 year ago
Quoted from dirtbag66:

Just coming together as a community to protect potential buyers from being ripped off. I would think this is something that would be encouraged around here.

Even @Forceflow cited it a few days ago from the fine print pages to someone trying to get something for nothing...
"Pinside is a tight-knit community and an important aspect of such a community is trust. In order to protect the integrity of our site..."

I wholeheartedly agree. We are a community and have (some level of) integrity. The issue is that FS ads, no matter how ridiculous they are (See: Immaculate Baywatch, $65K TZ, $3800 beater NBAFB, $7K Met Pros, countless other ridiculous ads from new posters...etc.), it seems to have spawned a tug of war between "integrity" and profit. Maybe one of those ads convert to a sale and Pinside makes their few bucks. Problem is for that one extra blip of income, concurrently there were a handful of spam ads and another handful of overpriced new member ads that deteriorate the "integrity" of this site. If this "tight-knit community" puts money solely before community and never creates guidelines about ridding of the garbage, well, then there's no community, no integrity and we're 'eBay-Pinball'.

Sooner than later, if nothing changes, this will go the same route as Yahoo and be a shell of its former self... looking for the most extreme sources of revenue as they've burned through other channels and have had alienated the fanbase that got them to the heights they had achieved.

Anyways, back to the regularly scheduled Pinsiding...

#70 1 year ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

You are way off, dude. A 10/10 like-new Fire would sell for at least $5000. Quoting Pinside Avg Value Range shows you lack a deeper understanding of how much condition impacts value on these older pins. Pinside avg range of $1200-$1500 is because avg Fire is a beater. Above avg = more. Way above avg = a lot more. CQ mint = very big bucks.

Oh FFS, did you even read the post, or just try prove you have a nice and shiny fine toothed comb?

I referenced the range and then said I personally think Pinside ranges aren't always accurate but at least give a "base" point of reference.

If you want to get into semantics about what "10/10" represents, this isn't the place. Should I have said 9.7/10 instead to leave you room for your other supreme tiers? You're wasting time and energy trying to breakdown CQ, HEP, fully restored, unmolested original, NOOB, or whatever the F else terms we now have here. Put away your magnifying glass and look at the overall message. This is a pin with some issues visible, perhaps more undisclosed. That's the issue, and not where the 0.0000001% of Fire's (which this aint) lies.

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