Hopefully you’re exiting this hobby?

Are people actually paying these asking prices for some of these pro models? Ghostbusters is outrageous right now too.

No chance in hell

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Great price!

j/k

Who ever is thinking about buying this, I’ll sell my pro for $8,000 and just for transparency, it’s the Limited “The Dark Knight 77” DNA Edition with real TDK sweaty palm oil on the lock down bar.

Finally a deal!!! Wish I was closer wtf?? Greed much??

Meet me halfway… on price and drive?

I’ve been looking for a DP pro, but if jack offs like this guy keep listing them I guess I won’t get one. Certainly not paying near double price for a Stern Pro.

What a douche.

Wow,10k pros?I'm going to miss my games but show me the money!Hell,I'd even part with my star wars premium for 10k!Damn.

I just paid 8900 for a great condition premium from a nice couple in NH. Like 2 weeks ago. I guess I got an absolute steal.

ForceFlow in addition to downvoting, why not try to grab Robin’s ear to figure out a way to curb this constant wave of bullshit plaguing this site?

This guy needs to post on Craigslist!

and eBay.

The seller can ask whatever they like. You are under no obligation to buy.

Personally, I think $10k+ for a pro is bonkers, but I gave up trying to figure out current game pricing months ago.

I know, I know. It's mentioned in each F'ing thread. Thanks for my daily reminder that I don't live in Communist China. That's not the issue. It's the site (which partially runs on people's donations) is now a joke and is why I let my red heart go gray this year. I'll happily contribute to a site that thinks of its' core audience first instead of trying to make revenues off of bogus newbie ads that clutter up the marketplace and will never sell. Fuck the newbies who are trying to gouge us in our hobby. But hey, "it's a free market"!!!

The same thing happens on pretty much every selling platform--there are no limits on what a seller can put as a price. This isn't something unique to Pinside.

You could always place these users on ignore if you don't want to see their posts. That feature is there to help tailor your experience on Pinside to your liking.

People are so wound up over rising pinball prices they are always lashing out and looking for someone to blame. Today, it’s pinside.

You can’t punish people for asking high prices on pinball machines and still have any kind of an active market. These complaints are dumb and the proposed “solutions” are always stupid. Charging money to list when everywhere else is free…somehow banning “ridiculous price” ads as if there’s a perfect formula for determining what’s allowed and what isn’t.

Ignore the ads you don’t like and move on. And if you haven’t noticed, Almost every game for sale here ends up on Craigslist or Facebook for the same asking price. You aren’t gonna erase these ads by somehow trying to regulate them out of existence here.

The best and only way to push back against asking prices you don’t like is to not pay them.

This isn't a "rising price" issue. Yeah, Stern Pros, base model AP & CGC's are all up in price. Sucks, but what it is. This is blatant gouging... by someone who is only using this site to try to find a sucker and then will never be here again. He's asking over $20K for a DP Pro and GB Pro.

You'll have to ship me a new mouse for my computer because I'll be ignoring so many first time posters here I'll wear out the click button. Much easier to set activity guidelines on who can post ads for sale so that you don't allow every slimy opportunist to try to ruin your marketplace.

Just don’t see it as a problem.

They have done a GREAT job keeping this site free from scam ads by legit criminals trying to steal our money, and that alone is a Herculean task. Scam ads are what actually “ruin” a market; see the once great mrpinball.com if you need an example. For 15 years it was the premier place to buy and sell games online and now it’s a totally worthless and dangerous cesspool of criminal scam ads.

Tasking them with also policing ads from people asking more money than you think is fair is a bit much. Just relax and get over it.

Why is this driving people so Insane? I just don’t get it. Just hurl some abuse at the seller, play price police bingo, and order lunch. Not worth having a stroke over.

Nobody's stopping you from doing that.

Well, what sort of practical guidelines would you have in mind?

We do take great efforts to try to prevent scammers from participating. But there's nothing preventing a verified user from asking whatever they would like.

Six months ago, I don't think anybody thought certain recent titles would be selling for $10k-$20k, but here we are. I don't like the high prices any more than you do, but this is just what's happening to the market right now, so there's no sense in getting upset about it. People trying to sell at elevated prices isn't against the rules.

50 post minimum and then a request sent to begin posting ads, at which point you ensure they're actually engaging in conversation here and not trying to just quickly spam 50 posts to then sell. That help builds the Forum and the "Community" I see featured at the top of the page. From there, the Pinside fees for selling should be PRIOR to posting so that people think twice before posting since there's a monetary hit before asking stupid prices that will never sell.

They're not. They are absolutely not. No one here is spending over $10K for a GB Pro. Some of the JJP's and Stern LE's going nuts are just signs of the times. But $10K for a GB Pro? Let's not kid ourselves.

Sort of like the Office Space Michael Bolton thing - Why should I have to change? I'd have to ignore users each day because you're holding the door open for them and then claiming you don't like the high prices any more than I do. Instead some proactive baseline requirements would prevent having all of us reactively putting people on ignore each day. It's not hard and then Pinside can claim to have a "community" and not sound as empty as Stern does claiming to be a lifestyle brand.

All reasonable advice, however I fail to see how it accomplishes me getting my way.

You just have to ask the sellers if the machine will give them oral sex for that price, or if - indeed - there's cocaine or cash in the coin box and these greedy bastards will wilt and melt away, without forcing drastic action by the site admins.

Don't give up!!

That's not practical, unfortunately. There are lots of active users with low forum participation. I recently came across someone who had over 50 transactions, but no forum posts. Not everyone wants to participate in public discussion. I see this in other hobbies as well.

Users can't post ads unless they have gone through the verification process, so there is a hurdle already in place.

You did see what I wrote in an earlier post about this specific ad's asking price, right?

You're not the only person on Pinside. Your preferences might not be everyone else's preferences. But, you can still use the available tools here to make adjustments to how you interact with the site.

The difference with me specifically is that when I see a price I don't like, I simply don't buy it. Just like at the supermarket when I see something I want. If the price is too high, I pass it by and then wait to see if it goes on sale later. But, someone else might not care what the price is and wants it *right now*, so they're willing to pay whatever the sticker price happens to be.

If you see a price you don't like, you don't march up to the supermarket manager and demand that all the $5+ cereal boxes be blocked from being placed on the shelves, do you?

No. But if 50 people are looking at the same $10 cereal box and all unanimously agree that it's complete bullshit and not indicative of the rest of the store, they can all march to the manager and ask WTF is up with that one $10 cereal box. Or I can just stop using the analogy. Zero upvotes, 52 downvotes for OP. Does that not make you think there's a problem here worth fixing?

Just because I and 50 others might personally disagree with someone's asking price, doesn't mean I won't still defend their right to ask it.

Maybe someone will end up making an offer that both the seller and buyer are happy with. Who knows.

Personally, I get a quick rush of excitement when I click on one of these outrageously-priced listings and see that the user has enabled the "discuss this ad" option.

I'm not here trying to tear down the free market economy. I get reminded of the free market in each of these bogus threads. F'ing wonderful. The problem is that the market is currently FLOODED with ads where non-contributors are trying to gouge, make a few grand, and bounce, never to be heard from again. Each thread has someone replying that the certain behavior of the sellers is mainly for eBay and CL, where it's strictly transactional with no sense of community.

Pinside is/was (supposedly) a community of enthusiasts. You want to ask $10K for a GB Pro? Fine, and there will be countless broken records reminding us that if we don't like the price, we can not buy it. But is it too hard to ask that people who want to ask $10K for a GB Pro maybe prove that they're part of the enthusiast community? Engage, participate, ask for help, offer assistance, post the Jon Stewart popcorn meme. Just do something of value before it's ok to try to gouge the members here, because maybe then you'll think differently... or realize this isn't the place for you in the first place.

I think I'm willing to bring this controversy to an end by offering a truly fair trade - my Deadpool Pro for this Deadpool Pro. However, the OP will need to add money if my pro is in better condition.

I've said it before and I'll try again.
Charge to place these ads!
Upfront charge to place a machine ad over 5k.($25)
To many flippers and sellers taking advantage of pinside. An Upfront charge for NIB and large flip over 5k will at least make someone think about their price, or weed out the riff raff.

Who gets final say on what is a gouge and what isn't? Pinside already moderates enough imo, I won't get on my "back in the rgp days" soapbox but really, this isn't about stricter rules or a site imposing pricing maximums to placate those who have had enough of high prices... just ignore them, it really is that simple. Pinside isn't the grocery store, its the bulletin board that used to sit inside the Grocery Store front doors where people could post whatever they wanted to on it.

Only problem I'd see is if Pinside is letting the listed at price impact the Pinside "average" price guidelines they post. Only time those should move imo is when a game is marked as sold on Pinside. Like if the price of Deadpool's go up now because one person posted an asking price of $10K the site is flawed.

It'll also completely kill the market here, thus reducing web traffic, thus taking money out of the pockets of the admins.

Why would anybody pay $25 to list an ad here? Virtually every pinball for sale ad I see on Pinside now is also on CL and 5 different pinball classifieds groups (all free) on Facebook.

If pinsiders ran pinside, it would be dead in a month.

The only problem with "pinside average price" guidelines is that they are WAY too low. Tired of getting price beat up by people waving pinside average values around in my face. "Pinside avg on Breakshot is $1100. I'll offer you $1150!" It's as obnoxious as when people used to thrust Mrpinball price guides at you, when those were always several years behind the curve as well.

It's gonna take years for pinside avg. price to catch up with reality, even with all these ridiculous overpriced ads. Reverb has the same problem selling guitars. No...you aren't gonna find a 1970 Gibson SG in nice shape for $2200, regardless of what the "average price" is.

New ad: "DeadPool Pro.... $10,325"

Yeah, won't work...

Finally, a game with a fair price in my area.

I'm not sure if anyone remembers, but ebay used to charge a listing fee up front. They eventually did away with that to attract sellers.

There are too many other places where you can list and ad for free--an up-front charge wouldn't be at all practical. The marketplace would be a ghost town in no time.

Besides, $5k is too low. I haven't seen a $5k NIB game in a good while now. If you sold a $5k NIB now, you would probably be taking a hefty loss. Also, there are plenty of WPC titles that easily fetch well over $5k.

First, the ad has to be marked as sold to be included in the estimated price on the game entry. Second, it takes more than one individual price to greatly nudge the estimated price in one direction or another. If three games suddenly sell for $10k, well, then that starts indicating a pattern and that might start to affect the estimated price.

Bravo sir! Well said.
Op, sincerely, good luck with the sale.

Pinside needs to convert to a pinball auction house. ...wait does this belong in the unpopular opinion thread?

Thought there was going to be more avail..?? Stern MSRP $6200...... LOL

You’re just attracting assholes who want to flip for ridiculous profit and leave. And in doing that, you lose my red heart.

Don’t want to vet out the sellers better, fine. Keep the Pinside fees the same but charge half up front, half upon successful sale. You get arguably more money because you’ll get 50% of the non-sales fees, and the remainder is business as usual.

You can see the asking price on every ad before you click...yet you always click on and read it just to bitch about price...how about you just skip looking at the overpriced ads?

Wrong. I click to point out all the “hey it’s a free market” responses and how they think they just conceived that novel concept. Sorry I’d like to see the marketplace cleaned up a bit. And it’s a forum. How else are we to tell the OP to jump off a bridge? And how about you stop wondering why people comment in a forum?

What a deal!!! Wish I was closer!!!

Yeah, it’s my opinion man, and the opinion of a ton of pinsiders. You have what seems to be an apparent problem. The number of downvotes in this one thread is climbing. I’d be willing to wager that the actual Pinside “community” is getting sick of all this. You can continue to sit on your hands or come up with solutions. I guess you desire the former. I find that lazy. My opinion, man.

We don't regulate market pricing, and I don't think there are any plans to do so.