First of all, thanks to many of you for the bumps and the kind words. This was Jgentry's game a bit ago so, I'm glad he could chime in as well. (BTW, I'm loving the heck out of TSPP!)
Quoted from TheOnlyest:
Because the game needs a full-blown restore to the tune of about $2k in parts and materials, including many parts that are not available, and that's assuming the game is 100% functioning correctly (particularly the Mystery Wheel, which parts are also NOT available for). Add probably close to 100 hours of labor... Add $1400 plus shipping and your invested upwards of $4k and upside-down in value. Why would you spend all that money and do all that work AND take on the countless hours over months (or even years) searching for parts, when you can just buy a 100% working game in very nice condition that doesn't need a restore for about $2500?? The only way I might take this on is if the $1400 included shipping... And that's because I would do the restore myself, with the intention of keeping the game in my permanent collection.
To say the game "_needs_ a full-blown restore" is a subjective opinion. I tend to like my games in players+ to collector condition also, and to your point that's one reason why this one is on the selling block. That doesn't mean that it's a bad game for others, a starter-pin, someone who likes this title but doesn't desire or want to pay for a collector-quality game, or someone who loves the game and wants to restore it.
Quoted from TheOnlyest:
Wow, do you uber-defensive people even read posts? Or do you just lock onto a couple key words and manipulate them into something negative? I'm assuming the latter... There was nothing insulting in my post, it was purely facts and MY position and hypothetical intentions on this specific unit. Did I say that I don't PLAY my games? I am well within my rights to take pride of the condition of my games, and its also my right to not want a tattered and thrashed game sitting in my game room among 6 other pristine machines. If everyone wants a thrashed machine sitting in their house, why isn't it sold? Why isn't the seller willing to fix the issues with the game to sell it for a higher price and appeal to a wider range of buyers? Why is it assumed that a game that gets played has to be in beat-to-shit condition? And most importantly, as alleged "pinball enthusiasts", why does my post NOT make logical sense to you??
"tattered and thrashed" I think that's a little unfair, I agree this isn't a HEP game but I think we've all seen truly thrashed games with blown-out playfields, non-working, etc. This isn't that. I understand, that grading pins certainly is subjective, and it's always risky when you're reliant on someone else's grading in a distance purchase. That's why I try to take good pictures, keep honest about the issues I'm aware of, and maintain a decent reputation. Hopefully the combination of those things will help potential buyers
I'm not willing to fix the issues because while I like this game, I'm on a different mission.. I've got room for 8-9 games, and currently have.. 8. I want to fill my basement with pins in the top 20. To spend time/money on this (for me) doesn't meet my mission. Also, this hobby isn't all about the money for me, so I'm not hard pressed to make every last penny on it. I'm just hoping someone else will enjoy it, and I'll get to continue looking for my top 10.
"purely facts" I definitely agree with a fact based approach to pinside posts, especially when it comes to sales! Boston Pinball's ebay sales summary is only a small portion of the market, and lots of us (myself included) have a somewhat negative opinion of ebay sales. However, it is data nonetheless and 58 people (4 this year) have paid on average ~$1500 for cyclone. It doesn't reference condition specifically as it relates to price, but I would venture to guess that in that price range we're not talking about restored games. That being said I think the current price of $1400 is more than fair, and there are buyers out there.
Keep the bumps coming