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For sale: Creature from the Black Lagoon


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4 months ago



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#1 4 months ago

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For sale: Creature from the Black Lagoon

Added: February 9th, 2019 Ended: February 19th, 2019
Condition: Partially shopped/refurbished

Item description

Update to the update: I got the mirror motor to work, so both hologram motors are in working condition.

Update: I fixed the EOS error. I also fixed the mirror motor.

This is the first pinball machine I ever bought. I got it from Automated Services about 3 years ago. It has a NOS hologram that is still green. I’ve also replaced the broken plastics and added LEDs. I shopped it last month and replaced all the rubber with Titans. It has a couple issues but plays great. There is wear on the play field by the FILM. A ramp could use a replacement due to a crack but doesn’t affect gameplay. Both hologram motors work now, but they’re out of alignment or something because they’re casting a weird shadow on the hologram when the mirror rotates to the left.

I’m not looking for trades. This is my wife’s favorite machine and she wants to upgrade to Beatles. So looking for cash.



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#2 4 months ago

Great price for an original green holo, tempting!

#3 4 months ago

Snow day bump.

#4 4 months ago

Price drop bump.

#5 4 months ago

Friday bump

#6 4 months ago

Damn, this is a nice enough creature it would make me consider getting it back! Color dmd and PinSound with the TheWool mix upgrades this game to a new level!

#7 4 months ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Damn, this is a nice enough creature it would make me consider getting it back! Color dmd and PinSound with the TheWool mix upgrades this game to a new level!

Thanks for the positive post. I’m kind of surprised at the lack of interest at this point.

#8 4 months ago

Simply too flooded a market right now. Give it time. Tax refund season is not far away....

#9 4 months ago

If someone is interested and able to pick it up this weekend, I’d take $4900.

#10 4 months ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

Thanks for the positive post. I’m kind of surprised at the lack of interest at this point.

There's just way too much for sale and NIB now; even the most well regarded games are sitting. And as prices go up, it prices a lot of buyers out of the market

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#11 4 months ago

Great game but you can get a NIB munsters for $5200. Hard to pony up $4900 for a 27yr old game. The market has changed significantly and very quickly. It really seems like games in the $4000-$5500 range are in a bad spot due to the $5k entry price of a NIB. Unfortunately I think these games are going to lose a lot of value due to the flashy allure of new titles with lcd screens and such standard. Best of luck in finding a buyer cause it really is a great game. Like stated above tax season is here maybe that will bring you a buyer but don't be surprised if you end up having to reduce the price more.

#12 4 months ago

Figured I'd ask, ever traveling to Indiana bump? Glwts

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#13 4 months ago
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:

Great game but you can get a NIB munsters for $5200. Hard to pony up $4900 for a 27yr old game. The market has changed significantly and very quickly. It really seems like games in the $4000-$5500 range are in a bad spot due to the $5k entry price of a NIB. Unfortunately I think these games are going to lose a lot of value due to the flashy allure of new titles with lcd screens and such standard. Best of luck in finding a buyer cause it really is a great game. Like stated above tax season is here maybe that will bring you a buyer but don't be surprised if you end up having to reduce the price more.

Probably right on target right now; but I believe the time and effort put into those 90s DMD games layouts, rule sets, etc will outlast the newer games. Stern games are fun, and they do good themes, but I always feel like they feel "cheap"
Compared to B/W games. Just
Hold out for a buyer who's into the theme as well as the game itself

#14 4 months ago
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:

Great game but you can get a NIB munsters for $5200. Hard to pony up $4900 for a 27yr old game. The market has changed significantly and very quickly. It really seems like games in the $4000-$5500 range are in a bad spot due to the $5k entry price of a NIB. Unfortunately I think these games are going to lose a lot of value due to the flashy allure of new titles with lcd screens and such standard. Best of luck in finding a buyer cause it really is a great game. Like stated above tax season is here maybe that will bring you a buyer but don't be surprised if you end up having to reduce the price more.

I would normally agree, but it’s already well below market for CFTBLs that sold in the last three months. There were about 5 that sold for north of $5k since November.

#15 4 months ago
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:

Great game but you can get a NIB munsters for $5200. Hard to pony up $4900 for a 27yr old game.

I understand your logic but CFTBL is a collectible game and a total classic. The price will just stay steady or go up whereas you'll lose money on Munsters the moment you pop the box.

This is a smoking deal.

#16 4 months ago
Quoted from Yesh23:

Figured I'd ask, ever traveling to Indiana bump? Glwts

Unfortunately not.

#17 4 months ago

Yeah this ain't no stern, awesome pin they don't make em like this anymore, don't give it away, glwts.

#18 4 months ago
Quoted from little-italy:

Yeah this ain't no stern, awesome pin they don't make em like this anymore, don't give it away, glwts.

Not planning on it. . $4900 was always my absolute floor. Worst case I’ll just let it sit and wait for my bonus to get Beatles.

#19 4 months ago

Perhaps potential buyers are scared off by the issue with the hologram not rotating. I think it would help if you posted pics of the sides of the cabinet as well.

#20 4 months ago

Ramps are available, same for cab decals, and I believe there's a decal for the wear between the flippers. Not to mention repro pf's have been made once and are coming around again soon. Like Don44 said, maybe a couple more pics of the side of the cab. I'd venture to say the holo motor problem is fixable -

I love the look of the new Munsters but CFTBL is a classic, have had mine forever....we'll see if people are still clamoring over the Munsters in 25 years.....

It'll sell.

#21 4 months ago

The issues that the OP mentioned in his original post are relatively simple to fix.

Lay down clear vinyl/mylar to stop the wear on "FILM" (mine has a bit of this as well, and that's what I did, and until Mirco gets the PFs out, this will be just fine).

Ramps are available, thank goodness. Some work to get them out, but it is at least a problem that can be addressed.

The EOS error, if you look at the manual, states that that is part of a grounded switch column. My guess, and this is just a guess, is that "switch" is losing ground somewhere in the machine. That, or in this case, the opto board for the flipper may be getting a lil' hit-and-miss. Wonder if re-soldering the male pins and cleaning the female pins would help. That would be one I'd have to be there and experiment with.

The hologram motor being replaced: where did you get it? Those motors are HARD to find, and there are cross reference motors available that do meet the specs required. Do you know for sure you have a compatible motor...? If so, disconnect the pigtail connectors, get a DMM, set to 20V DC, put your black lead on the ground braid in the machine and your red lead on the pigtail wires from the machine side of the wire harness (all of this with the hologram motor test running). See if you get a value on each pin of the pigtail. If you do, the connection at the pigtail is just "hit-and-miss" and can be tested with jumper wires to ensure the motor is getting the proper voltages to power it. If not, something on the machine's side of the wire harness is being silly/needs to be fixed.

Stern machines are great, but if you want the older "classic DMD era" games, DIY skills are a must (or a healthy checkbook if you are lucky enough to have a pinball tech nearby).

#22 4 months ago

There actually is no upper left flipper....I read somewhere about that phantom switch error message and how to get rid of it...might have to do some forum searching....

Hopefully you get lucky w the motor and it's just not getting juice.

#23 4 months ago

Eos error usually occur bc the flipper opto boards have a issue... swap the left and right one and see if it consists.

#24 4 months ago
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:

Great game but you can get a NIB munsters for $5200. Hard to pony up $4900 for a 27yr old game. The market has changed significantly and very quickly. It really seems like games in the $4000-$5500 range are in a bad spot due to the $5k entry price of a NIB. Unfortunately I think these games are going to lose a lot of value due to the flashy allure of new titles with lcd screens and such standard. Best of luck in finding a buyer cause it really is a great game. Like stated above tax season is here maybe that will bring you a buyer but don't be surprised if you end up having to reduce the price more.

<That is one way to look at it. Another way is that Munsters will sell for 4500 to 4700 as a resale in a year when new games are out (maybe lower, look at other NIB sales). This game has some small issues that I am sure can be improved. It is not going to go much lower then what it is at now and with a little work could easily sell for more.

There are some decals out there to put over the film issues. Not perfect, but cover nicely and add a little mylar. I have done that on my game and I have had 50 or so people play my game and no one commented ( and believe me a few of them would be glad to point out the games faults).

A green hologram is a big plus. I would rather deal with figuring out the motor then having the "Blue " hologram. The EOS switch is some thing lying to the CPU that there is a switch problem. Some good ideas here as starters.

Agree with DON44, need to see the whole cabinet.

If I was in the market, I would buy the Crech now, fix the issues, sell down the road when ready and get the Munsters HUO at a discount. I would try and resolve the issues and then sell. Good Luck.

#25 4 months ago

This guy may have some left. (mirror motor). I bought two and the are very well put together. worked like a charm.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/creature-from-the-black-lagoon-motor-kit#post-4279667

#26 4 months ago

Hey i'm right thete with the rest of you. I love the 90's bally/williams games and think they are much better and thoughtout yhsn the newer sterns. I'm only making the point thst people are passing on them due the flashy gimmicks of the new games thst are being put out. Hell if I lived cliser to the OP I would buy it cause its a great game.

#27 4 months ago

In case it was holding anyone back, I added pics of the sides of the cabinet.

#28 4 months ago

Now I feel so dumb. I reseated the flipper board connector and the eos error went away.

#29 4 months ago
Quoted from pinzrfun:

There actually is no upper left flipper....I read somewhere about that phantom switch error message and how to get rid of it...might have to do some forum searching....
Hopefully you get lucky w the motor and it's just not getting juice.

I had a Jackbot or a Dirty Harry I picked up years ago, can’t remember which one, but it had the same phantom switch error. Diagnosed and there were no physical flipper or switch issues. After going through the game’s wiring diagram, it turned out there was a either a board swap from another WPC that probably occurred on route and either the board pins or plugs were not matching. Moved 2 wires, punched them down, eos error gone.

#30 4 months ago

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#31 4 months ago

This is a steal for a timeless classic! I'd make the trip to pick it up if I didn't already own it.
Color DMD, Pin sound, Pin Stadium & The eventual hologram mod do wonders!

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#32 4 months ago
Quoted from Mtg381:

This is a steal for a timeless classic! I'd make the trip to pick it up if I didn't already own it.
Color DMD, Pin sound, Pin Stadium &amp; The eventual hologram mod do wonders!
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Show off . Great deal OP, I’m sure it’ll be scooped up very soon.

#33 4 months ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

I would normally agree, but it’s already well below market for CFTBLs that sold in the last three months. There were about 5 that sold for north of $5k since November.

Did those have the amount of issues that yours does? Hologram doesnt turn, playfield wear, damaged ramp, other gremlims you mentioned, etc? Plus it has only been a week.

#34 4 months ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Did those have the amount of issues that yours does? Hologram doesnt turn, playfield wear, damaged ramp, other gremlims you mentioned, etc? Plus it has only been a week.

Someone sold one for $4500 with screw holes in the playfield and broken plastics.

#35 4 months ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

Someone sold one for $4500 with screw holes in the playfield and broken plastics.

I remember that one. Two screw holes in the playfield would be less damage then the wear on your playfield. New plastics are what? About $150.
There was also one on Fb in really great condition a few months ago for $4300. I passed on it to buy my Scared Stiff.
Not trying to bash your price since I think it's a pretty average price for the condition game is in. But the real question is what is the right price for the game to sell??

#36 4 months ago

You left a line in original desc about you and a tech working on the error you already fixed as of today. I'd edit that line out to reduce any confusion.

#37 4 months ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

Now so feel dumb. I reseated the flipper board connector and the eos error went away.

That’s great!!

#38 4 months ago

This would be gone if shipping was an option, great price!!!

#39 4 months ago

Bump for good game and good price

Quoted from PinDeLaPin:

Great game but you can get a NIB munsters for $5200.

Who do I contact for this pricing?

#40 4 months ago
Quoted from t2:

Bump for good game and good price

Who do I contact for this pricing?

It was a figurative price. The point I was trying to make is a lot of people who are coming into the hobby when confronted with a game that is 27yrs old that is $5k would probably opt for a brand new game for very little more $.

#41 4 months ago
Quoted from t2:

Bump for good game and good price

Who do I contact for this pricing?

Call around. Street price is still cheaper then advertised.

#42 4 months ago
Quoted from PinDeLaPin:

It was a figurative price. The point I was trying to make is a lot of people who are coming into the hobby when confronted with a game that is 27yrs old that is $5k would probably opt for a brand new game for very little more $.

Good!!!! I'll take all the good 90s WPC games while they pick up the ooooo shiney games.

#43 4 months ago

I like the discussion, but do you all mind if we move the broader price discussion to another thread? I’m worried I’m going to become infamous on Pinside for one of those super long For Sale posts.

#44 4 months ago
Quoted from NPO:

The hologram motor being replaced: where did you get it? Those motors are HARD to find, and there are cross reference motors available that do meet the specs require

thenaimis sells a replacement kit.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/replacing-the-infamous-cftbl-motors-repro

#45 4 months ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

I’m worried I’m going to become infamous on Pinside for one of those super long For Sale posts.

That wont happen.. your game has 4 legs ; ).

I'll happily respect your request and stop here. GLWYS!!

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#46 4 months ago

Did those have the amount of issues that yours does? Hologram doesnt turn, playfield wear, damaged ramp, other gremlims you mentioned, etc? Plus it has only been a week.</blockquo
Troll much??

#47 4 months ago
Quoted from Mizzou0103:

I like the discussion, but do you all mind if we move the broader price discussion to another thread? I’m worried I’m going to become infamous on Pinside for one of those super long For Sale posts.

Bumps are good

#48 4 months ago

Personally i think it's a good price. The nos hologram adds some value (imo). If i had the space and the money I'd probably have jumped on this already. Good luck with sale, op. I think cftbl is an awesome game!

#49 4 months ago

OP wondered why game hasnt sold, yet alienated 90% of potential buyers by refusing to ship... (scratching head)

#50 4 months ago

Bump. Got the mirror motor to work.

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