For sale: Black Hole Playfield populated NOS

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Black Hole Playfield populated NOS

Added: 2015-07-01 01:42:35 UTC • Ended: July 21st, 2015

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I have a NOS populated black hole PF never used its brand new. some of the rubber has some minor dry rot. all metals and plastics look new as they should. should drop right in with no issues.

also a Nos Fire not a cpr

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#2 9 years ago

WOZ

woz

Pinside member

14y 77,050 1,866

Upper or lower playfield? Please post some pics so us sys80 fans can drool

#3 9 years ago

PEZ

pezpunk

Wow ... Yeah just the upper or upper and lower?

#4 9 years ago

RPL

QuarterGrabber

Inactive member

Judging by the "just drop in" and the price I would say it is both upper and lower playfields.

#5 9 years ago

GMT

NJGecko

Pinside member

Here we go with pictures

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#6 9 years ago

PAB

MustangPaul

LED Leg Light-Ups

Saint Paul, MN

11y 136K 23,336 10

How the heck do you find this rare stuff?

#7 9 years ago

GMT

NJGecko

Pinside member

We occasionally get access into the Indiana Jones government warehouses....

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#8 9 years ago

PAB

MustangPaul

LED Leg Light-Ups

Saint Paul, MN

11y 136K 23,336 10

Can I come next time.

#9 9 years ago

PEZ

pezpunk

Sorry, dumb question ... how did the plastics and artwork yellow inside a cardboard box? (Or is there a yellow tint to the pics?)

#10 9 years ago

RPL

QuarterGrabber

Inactive member

Quoted from pezpunk:
Sorry, dumb question ... how did the plastics and artwork yellow inside a cardboard box? (Or is there a yellow tint to the pics?)

I agree with you, the PLAYFIELD looks like it was used before. There is slight wear around the inserts and BAD cracking/planking of the Playfield.

#11 9 years ago

GMT

NJGecko

Pinside member

Quoted from pezpunk:
Sorry, dumb question ... how did the plastics and artwork yellow inside a cardboard box? (Or is there a yellow tint to the pics?)

It's just age.

Quoted from QuarterGrabber:
I agree with you, the PLAYFIELD looks like it was used before.

We opened the factory box. There are zero plays on this thing. The condition it is in is NOS. It's still 30 years old, but there has never been a ball rolled across it. It's not being advertised as anything beyond new old stock which is it.

#12 9 years ago

RPL

QuarterGrabber

Inactive member

Quoted from NJGecko:
It's just age.

We opened the factory box. There are zero plays on this thing. The condition it is in is NOS. It's still 30 years old, but there has never been a ball rolled across it. It's not being advertised as anything beyond new old stock which is it.

Ok cool, thanks for the info.

#13 9 years ago

GPD

KoolFingers

Pinside member

Youngstown, OH

11y 68,800 1,147 7 7

Quoted from NJGecko:
We occasionally get access into the Indiana Jones government warehouses....

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I need to find out where that place is.

#14 9 years ago

RGW

Gwaxt72

Inactive member

Quoted from QuarterGrabber:
I agree with you, the PLAYFIELD looks like it was used before. There is slight wear around the inserts and BAD cracking/planking of the Playfield.

wow, pretty negative remarks off a few crappy pics. its really not BAD cracking for something that is 30 years old. if someone needs real pics or want to make offer I am reasonable. I thought someone could use this that is why I got it. if not, no biggie..

#15 9 years ago

JRP

320Gigabytes

Pinside member

11y 47,050 874

Quoted from pezpunk:
Sorry, dumb question ... how did the plastics and artwork yellow inside a cardboard box? (Or is there a yellow tint to the pics?)

I believe the flame retardant additive oxidizes over time.

Unless you vacuum sealed them or put them in an inert atmospheric environment, they will always yellow.

#16 9 years ago

GMT

NJGecko

Pinside member

Lower PF pictures.

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#17 9 years ago

RPL

QuarterGrabber

Inactive member

OP
Quoted from Gwaxt72:
wow, pretty negative remarks off a few crappy pics. its really not BAD cracking for something that is 30 years old. if someone needs real pics or want to make offer I am reasonable. I thought someone could use this that is why I got it. if not, no biggie..

No not negative, just my own personal observations. NJGecko explained it to me, all is good. If you really want a negative comment, 30 years or not I have seen Black Holes that have had many plays with little to no cracking of the Playfield. Now that was a negative comment for sure.

#18 9 years ago

MMT

Xerico

Pinside Moderator

Rockwall, TX

12y 148K 3,604 14

Discoveries such as this make me smile every time I read about them. Someone is going to be able to save a cosmetic wreck or improve an existing game.

Either way, it's a win for pinball.

Good luck with your sale!

Marcus

#19 9 years ago

RPL

QuarterGrabber

Inactive member

Lower playfield looks fantastic!

#20 9 years ago

GMT

NJGecko

Pinside member

It's all good folks...

It's up for grabs...lots of interest so far.

And, worst case, it gets tucked away for a while as a unique find.

#21 9 years ago

RGW

Gwaxt72

Inactive member

better pics I don't see the yellowing in person, I think the camera is doing it. doesn't really looked planked either. the paint has some imperfections

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#22 9 years ago

RPL

QuarterGrabber

Inactive member

Hmmmm, it's weird what a camera can do. The PLAYFIELD looks brand new and perfect in those pics. Now that's a good looking Playfield!

#23 9 years ago

PEZ

pezpunk

yeah those pics make it look pretty awesome!

#24 9 years ago

JRP

320Gigabytes

Pinside member

11y 47,050 874

Quoted from QuarterGrabber:
I agree with you, the PLAYFIELD looks like it was used before. There is slight wear around the inserts and BAD cracking/planking of the Playfield.

I don't even know where to start.

Polymer chemistry and pinball manufacturing processes have made leaps and bounds since the early 80's. Take a look at the differences in clearcoat now versus then, or look at the plastic inserts or ramps. Expecting something 35 years old to look equivalent, or even similar, to a modern day Stern or a diamondplated WPC machine is unrealistic.

Good indicators of playfield wear on a machine from this era would be ball swirls and bare wood showing. The signs you are pointing out are more or less signs of a machine being built in 1981 with 1981 parts and processes.

Furthermore, planking isn't even really a symptom of playfield wear, it's more indicative of a flawed curing or application process than an indication of the number of plays. If it were anything related to number of plays, then the Dr. Who and BSD SP and LS playfields would be more or less equivalent after all these years, and that's not the case.

This seems like it is in really great shape compared to other NOS populated playfields from this era. The metal parts/mechs are good indicators of the lack of moisture/humidity that it has been exposed to during storage. For an idea of how a poorly stored NOS playfield looks from this era, seek out the Space Invaders NOS playfield thread.

Also, I'm an objective third party, but Gwaxt has the patience (and prices) of a saint for putting up with that. He's one of the most ubiquitously honest and fairly priced sellers on this forum. He and Eabundy are in a league of their own. Please, if not for the sake of yourself than for the sake of everyone else in the hobby, be kind and respectful to them so that they stay around!

#25 9 years ago

WTF

fast_in_muskoka

Pinside+ Frequent

Muskoka, ON

10y 77,800 1,307

what a kool find !

#26 9 years ago

KEN

radium

Pinside+ Frequent

Covington, LA

11y 93,550 4,185 12

It definitely shows its age but it will look amazing after some cleanup and new clearcoat work. Nice opportunity for someone.

#27 9 years ago

RPL

QuarterGrabber

Inactive member

Quoted from 320Gigabytes:
I don't even know where to start.
Polymer chemistry and pinball manufacturing processes have made leaps and bounds since the early 80's. Take a look at the differences in clearcoat now versus then, or look at the plastic inserts or ramps. Expecting something 35 years old to look equivalent, or even similar, to a modern day Stern or a diamondplated WPC machine is unrealistic.
Good indicators of playfield wear on a machine from this era would be ball swirls and bare wood showing. The signs you are pointing out are more or less signs of a machine being built in 1981 with 1981 parts and processes.
Furthermore, planking isn't even really a symptom of playfield wear, it's more indicative of a flawed curing or application process than an indication of the number of plays. If it were anything related to number of plays, then the Dr. Who and BSD SP and LS playfields would be more or less equivalent after all these years, and that's not the case.
This seems like it is in really great shape compared to other NOS populated playfields from this era. The metal parts/mechs are good indicators of the lack of moisture/humidity that it has been exposed to during storage. For an idea of how a poorly stored NOS playfield looks from this era, seek out the Space Invaders NOS playfield thread.
Also, I'm an objective third party, but Gwaxt has the patience (and prices) of a saint for putting up with that. He's one of the most ubiquitously honest and fairly priced sellers on this forum. He and Eabundy are in a league of their own. Please, if not for the sake of yourself than for the sake of everyone else in the hobby, be kind and respectful to them so that they stay around!

Ummmm, yeah. Thanks for the explanation but I think it was already put to bed

#28 9 years ago

SLM

Slim64

Pinside member

10y 64,050 2,035

Awesome find!

#29 9 years ago

FUK

gmkalos

Inactive member

Unknown

9y 63,400 2,024 1

Amazing find for sure! Way to go Indy lol

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#30 9 years ago

BOY

vid1900

Pinside member

Sana'a

12y 174K 41,269 18

Planking is normal for a NOS playfield of that age.

The wood fibers expand and contract with changes in temp and humidity.

A little sanding and a new clearcoat will make that an impressive centerpiece for somebody.

#31 9 years ago

RGW

Gwaxt72

Inactive member

Playfield is sold

#32 9 years ago

PEZ

pezpunk