Guys you can use the search function but this is talked about daily.

If you do this, you're gonna get 2 balls in play (because the ball save is gonna launch when you hit the outlane rollover switch), and when one of those drains you'll lose the ball.

The best you could possibly do is have a static always up post, disable the ball save in software (if its an option), and have a physical skill based ball save that doesn't interact with the code like they intended.

To those who have played jurassic park and foo fighters. Is ii worth to sell jp for ff? Can’t have both.

I think so, but that's just me. Better artwork by a mile, better theme integration, and way better shots in ff. But again, I'm aware this could be deemed a hot take

The Pro overdrive puts a ball in the shooter lane when the game detects it in the trough, so this isn't accurate.

Bingo. It is almost perfectly waiting for a mod, if you insisted upon having it in your game.

Yea, use the search function…

Ok. Some games will ball save when the ball hits the outlane switch.
Soon as someone figured out the mod...expect that change in the code!

Really the difference (provided that doesn't get changed in the code) as I see it is on a potentially modded pro, you have 0% chance of losing your ball, as if the up-post save failed and you drained, the existing functionality detecting the ball in the trough would fire.

I'm curious if that's on a timer as well. In theory you could recover from a modded up post, flip the ball around a bit, have a normal drain, and maybe still get rewarded with a ball save.

Haven't owned JP, but it was on our short list for a new pinball machine and we got to compare it with FF on location. In my wife's and my opinion, it didn't even come close to FF.

The only one that did was Godzilla prem, which we thought was a toss up between that and the FF pro. THAT'S how much we liked it. ‍♂️

FF is definitely more novice/family friendly in terms of shots and making progress.

JP will burn beginner/flipper flairers alive by comparison.

Yes, dead post on the pro is either doing nothing but flare (if you make no software changes) or making it easier if it doesn't use overdrive because it didn't use the ball save in the trough.

Pros can be easier. DP makes every left orbit go in the pops and you start Disco MB much easier and faster.

Difference of opinion here-
Yeah disco way easier.
But,
You might drain out of the pops whereas a full orbit feed guarantees you a controlled flip on R flipper.

Standups to me also play more dangerously than drops.

My scores on my PremLE of DPs over the years owning several copies always trounced my pro scores.

back to decision question:
If I had to choose for a small collection home environment I would take FF over JP just because of the guest/novice factor. I’m always surprised how much love JP (great game) gets considering how difficult it is for novices.

Could just mash flipper button a bunch of times and do that though, no? Would be a good option though.

Hell yeah. Nice work DeadFlip and team! Can't wait for my LE!

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Got ours and loving it. It will be used for location launch parties in the area.
Great flow, feels friendly but hellah fast!

Had a top play and non-player over yesterday and both found reasons to love it.

I do keep games very long normally, but I loving it and is making an incredibly first impression.

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Game play continues if you intentionally let one drain. So it would sort of be like an unintentional 2 ball multi-ball.

The dead post is just a standard Stern part. I'm tempted just to install it and wire to the proper connector on node 8 just to see what happens. I suppose it would be easier to just measure voltage across that pin pair (it's Node 8 CN7, pins 1 and 2) while an overdrive event is active to see what happens.

LOL, I know. Curiosity is driving me more than any real benefit to having a dead post in a pro.

Played a bunch more games tonight. I honestly can't think of a single game that has more flow than this. Combos galore. It's just so satisfying and fun to play.

Was playing Area 51 multiball and realized there were absolutely no callouts or other audio effects for jackpots, etc. Clearly some things still to be added code-wise. Not a complaint, just observing- it's already great for an early release.

Just sold a pin and now able to get another one. Never have owned a Stern before and thinking about getting the Pro. Anyone have any regrets on this machine after buying? Build quality good? I have only owned Williams machines and one Spooky Halloween.

Sterns are quite literally the industry standard, now. They're nice machines and you should be thrilled. Man... you're missing out on countless good machines if you've never owned a Stern before. Like... man what.

I’m en la clube

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Does this mean Prems are on the line/shipping? I thought Prems "show games" were only allowed to be taken home if that was the case...?

I'm trying to track a Pro/premium model down for purchase if any others had a lead on 1 that would available. Checked game room guys this morning and theirs has sold. If anyone knows and could PM me I'd greatly appreciate it!

I played Eric's game at MGC and it played wonderfully! Congrats on getting one of the first premiums and thanks to Kingpin games and Eric for having it available to play at the show.

That’s what we were told at TPF.

One of our location pro's is having some issues with the ball lock, trying to work through what's going on so bear with me here.

While playing, I saw the game serve a second ball to the shooter lane with a ball in play, but I'm not sure what the cause was. I think it may have been a ball lock in overlord which didn't get locked somehow. The game autolaunched and two balls were then in play. When one drained, the ball ended and flippers died.

I was then able to lock a ball on the ball 3 in that game and everything seemed to be working as designed but I didn't release that ball and drained out.

After this happened, I quickly started a new game before the trapped ball is released from the overlord (this needs to be addressed in the code, obviously). Once this happened, the overlord area becomes basically disabled and the ball cannot be released, which causes some cascading issues from game to game that only a power off seems to clear.

I didn't have time to fully troubleshoot yesterday, but will be going back later today to dig into this. If anyone has seen similar behavior at any of the shows or on location, or any operator who has resolved this, I appreciate any info you can provide.

I mean this respectfully: thank you for being the guinea pigs to raise awareness to Stern and hopefully get code releases for these situations.

Very encouraging to see at least (2) code releases already before the games really get moving to homes!

So there was a magnet?

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Makes sense. The Premium has a magnet there and the Pro/Premium share the same main playfield.

With all the talk about a dead post mod. Why aren’t we talking about a magnet mod for pros?

Pro is home and setup post MGC!

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Ahh I figured this after seeing the dead post hole too

Picked up a Foo Fighters Pinball this last Friday and spent some time over the weekend doing CAD design work to build the Foo Fighters Tour Van! I should have prototypes done over the next few day and possibly work out what lighting and game interactions I have planned for this MOD.

Looks great so far! All comments and suggestions are appreciated, just let me know and I will do my best to answer.

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Exactly

Because the magnet would require much more code integration than the post. Doesn’t it pulse when the overlord talks?

What are the odds of the expression lighting accessory being available for 1st run premium buyers? Apparently these are forever out of stock for LZ and Rush, so my confidence is low that we will be able to add them anytime soon.

It was only just announced for Rush. It would be next year at the earliest, most likely.

Well, if they ordered a LOT of them from the vendor like they should have, hopefully they are available quickly. They are available to order for Rush now through distros.

2024 at earliest? I'll take the under.

Maybe stupid question, but is there some reason you couldn’t just use the rush ones in FF? Shouldn’t it all be code driven, and it’s just a standard part?

Do you want Rush side artwork? I know some Rush owners put the Led Zeppelin in theirs.

Didn’t realize they came with preprinted art on them.

Yes the side art that surrounds the expression lights is included.

Would the premium code support the lights in FF after installation?