You and tons of other people seem to be excited to buy Foo.

Congrats! Enjoy the game.

Your theory may be correct, but I'm not sure it matters that much. FOMO is what is keeping companies like Spooky afloat. FOMO helped them sell out of Halloweens before anybody realized how bad it was.

But Do Stern and JJP really need FOMO to stay in business? I think they can sell plenty of games without people freaking out on onsale day. FOMO never really drove their business model much.

Gary is a fucking lifer. His dad was a lifer. It's a different perspective. Stern is a long-haul company.

This is a good thing in my eyes. You SHOULD lose money after you open the box. Used to be referred to as the NIB tax or something similar.

My prediction is that we will see 1K units at $13K plus and that it will be a day one sellout. There will still be FOMO even with 1000 units. Flippers will be selling them at a premium soon after just like every other recent LE.

When I heard the FF rumors , I instantly thought concert footage and questioned what the pin would look like .Well this looks very interesting .I’m not going to say that I’m a huge fan because I’m not ,but do like them . Is this van in they’re new movie that I’m watching tonight ?

Probably not.... but those of us that have seen business cycles know the pattern

1- Demand is hot and inventory is nopn-exisitent
2- Prices increase
3- company thinks it will continue for ever - they expand capacity
4- the increase in price + the extra capacity means that supply overshoots demand
5- extra inventory at all levels.... prices are cut and/or businesses downsize/right-size/exit
6- supply-demand balance - maybe at the elevated prices... but with fewer units built

we are somewhere between steps 3 and 4

This isn't just pinball... it is almost every business at some point

Depends on your level of addiction

Wait...after starting this thread and the responses on the last few pages, a teaser trailer with zero gameplay comes out and you fold on your anti stern purchases thus forth and are "buying a foo"

Oh man I love new game time. People fold like wet cardboard when the scent is in the air.

I swore I was out after Bond but look at me now.In for an LE

Well, looks like I’m at least half right.

All right once the 1,000 LE amount is announced.

We can go over this all over again ina few months with venom.

Stern will definitely drop Venom to 500 LE?

Well ok then. I guess we can table this DEMAND DESTRUCTION convo till venom. Or the next JJP release, whichever comes first (so….venom).

Why?

Does anyone know who the game designer is for Foo Fighters?

Man Bear Pig

Jack Danger

Why does everybody keep saying it's Jack's?

We need some clarity!!

I'll rewatch the teaser 56 times and see if there's any hints.

I read the question wrong. I don't know who designed it.

Man, if the stakes can't be for a good ass-tattoo..... what's the point?

YUP, the death of FOMO may have been prematurely called

You forgot #7........ industry weeds out weak companies and consolidates, or collapses. See 90's pinball.

That's kind of their job, isn't it?

Not sure why anybody would expect them to say "Hey We've got LEs but no rush, nobody wants them, don't bother placing an order with us. Thanks!"

We will see, those with money do still have plenty of it

Let's hope that this will never happen. Foo fighters is a step in the right direction despite many of us scratching our heads. New generation with no kids an oodles of cash to blow is coming of age.

The saving grace for Stern on this one maybe the FF fans.

Didn't the Guns and Roses fans make that machine (CE) a instant sell out at 500 and it seems like 1k that day would have went from outside sources?

That basically what happens in #6… but yeah

Yep…. And a lot of people are feeling burned by Bond. I just don’t see them selling 1000 of these instantly. If it is a great game then it will sell… if not… oh boy.

Lol. Remember TFLE and AVLE’s?

Aside from the rumor mill, George was trolling Jack hard throughout the Livestream, saying FOOBAR with an emphasis on Foo... Instead of FUBAR... Also I saw on the Stern Facebook official site say Jack...

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MORE MUSIC PINBALL PLEASE!

It’s rare for a specialty goods producer to just lower prices. They typically flatline pricing (potentially for years), reduce supply and maybe offer temporary incentives. The wildcard may be Stern’s ownership. From the outside, it certainly appears they are positioning for some type of change. If they sell, the price will likely be based on wildly optimistic growth projections, and new ownership may force a change in market strategy if things don’t go as anticipated.

not a real smart guy is he????

Another price increase.

This sums up the change in the last 20 years. People want new titles for their game rooms. Not 30 year old titles that need full restoration. The hobby has gotten lazy in my opinion. It’s turned into Amazon shopper mentality…sort my cheapest price and quickest shipping. It’s that simple mindset that will cause a crash imho.

People who buy pinball machines are people with tons of extra money to burn. A $750 price hike on a $9000 game is an 8% increase. Anybody locked in on a Premium won't run away from 8% imo, so these prices are here to stay.

For me, it's the overall product that will decide if I'm in or out. For example, I think I'm out on JJP forever. The flippers are terrible and always have been. The scoring on JJP machines is terrible and always has been. And finally, the ruleset on JJP machines are mostly terrible and always has been. They won't change the most crucial aspects of their games, so there's no way I'm shelling out money for their products. If Stern quality ever goes down this path, that's when I'm out. It won't be because of the cost.

Spooky is close to being out of my life forever as well. I've purchased 3 NIB games from Spooky and they've all had issues, either hardware or software, that ultimately led to me selling them off. Scooby Doo is the final straw, but I'm pretty confident this game is a turning point for the company. If so, customer for life right here. Literally all in or all out from this point forward. I've purchased more NIB from Spooky than any company.

And then there is American Pinball, who has quietly had the best everything when you think about it. Prices? Check. Quality? Check. Rulesets? Check. Scoring?... ehh... could be better I guess. But this company has implemented so many amazing rules and features and moments that I haven't seen in any/many pinball machines before. They aren't afraid to take chances.

....... ugh.... I have a Scooby on order, I'm looking to buy FF pro, and now I'm talking myself into buying the next AP as well......... lol. I hope it's expensive as hell so I can talk myself back out.

Not necessarily, I have 2 sometimes 3 machines never more and the money I used to buy them is borrowed from my modest retirement, I buy sell and trade them so I can play something different often. In the end I will probably end up with no machines as these games are far too expensive for me to justify owning over the long term. So eventually the money will be put back into my retirement by me or my wife and I will be back to having her drive me to my local arcade to play. My games have helped me to keep my sanity over the last few years so that is a small price to pay for whatever damage it has cost my retirement.

Ayyy a wild me is spotted in your screen shots. I was laughing at George's FOObar comments during the stream, I was definitely picking up on that too

Sorry Ice. Looks like DEMAND DESTRUCTION will have to wait till the next release, as Foo looks awesome and they'll sell a shitload.

But NEXT time...I'm sure of it this time...the goose will be cooked and the bubble will burst.

And if not then probably the next one.

Or for sure the one after that. I'm certain of it.

Yes, you said that and a lot of other stuff and it's all wrong.

Of course they'll sell all 1,000 LEs. Maybe not in 10 minutes but I don't think they care.

DEMAND DESTRUCTION does not exist in pinball at this time.

Do you have your receipt yet from the LE you are buying?

Foo Figthers looks great based on the trailer, there's a good amount in the game at first glance and it seems like fun! That up post in the in-lane is a really cool ball save idea. Big improvement overall from Bond which feels like it came and went.