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Flipper triggered on all lamp test

By Mrhankey91

6 years ago


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#1 6 years ago

The left flipper is triggered when i'm running the all lamp test, (on and off when lamps go on and off, sometimes right trigger and even slingshots seem to get fired on first power on of the lamps). During gameplay it also seem to happen when specific switches are triggered. I did a switch test and it all seemed ok, no switch matrix issues.

When I unplug the J905 connector on the fliptronic board or one of the connectors from one of the flipper opto boards, the issue seem to go away. Also when I unplug one of the lamps connector on the power driver board (j138 or j135).

Any ideas what could be wrong?

#2 6 years ago

Are there any lamps near the flippers that might have gotten bent and ate touching?

#3 6 years ago
Quoted from zacaj:

Are there any lamps near the flippers that might have gotten bent and ate touching?

Nope, i also tested the diodes on the left flipper coil.

#4 6 years ago

I checked continuity between lamps and trigger switches, nothing strange. When i unplugged fuse 116 (secondary 12v) the problem is gone. So could it be a short on one of the opto's?

#5 6 years ago

I noticed a voltage drop on TP3 (12VR that falls down to 9V) and TP8 (18V that goes down to 11V) on all lamp test.

Edit: When the lamps are unplugged both TP3 and TP8 are stable.

#6 6 years ago

Could be a partly failing rectifier Br.1 on the powerdriverboard.

#7 6 years ago

Solved, it was a failed bridge rectifier BR1 on power driver.

#8 6 years ago
Quoted from zaza:

Could be a partly failing rectifier Br.1 on the powerdriverboard.

What is the logic behind this? How does a failing BR1 trigger flippers?

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#9 6 years ago

Hmm, I seem to have a related issue, maybe the experts could chime in.

on my World Cup Soccer 94 everything works fine, but both flippers flip once when I do the "Lamp + Flash" Test - anyone come across this before?

thanks!

#10 6 years ago

So, a little more background (yes, I am a SS newbie, be gentle)

Measured 12v at TP3 and it fluctuates wildly between around 8v and 10.5V

Given this 12v I believe is derived from the 18v circuit I tested TP8 and it also fluctuates wildly between around 12.5v and 14.5

In between the transformer (via J101) and 18v I think is BR1 and two Caps.

I searched pinside and found this test of BR1 from zaza
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My readings are:

1 - .437
2 - .874
3 - .447
4 - .446

Does reading 2 indicate a failed bridge that would cause the above symptoms or have I jumped to conclusions far too quickly?

thanks, all!

#11 6 years ago
Quoted from 4Max:

Does reading 2 indicate a failed bridge ....

That is correct.
The segment between (+) and (~) is missing or bad
Because of that, the voltage goes up and down when lamps are driven and switches could random trigger.
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#12 6 years ago

Many thanks zaza

Replaced BR1

Reading at TP3 is better; fluctuates between approx 11.2 and 12, averages around 11.5

TP8is higher at 14.5 to 15

Game "appears" to playing ok - do I need to worry / do anything more?

#13 6 years ago

TP8 is still low. 17-18 Volt is normal. TP3 must be solid 12.0 Volt

Is voltage at J101 (4+5) and J101 (6+7) 13 Vac ?
Transformer correct jumpered ?

#14 6 years ago

zaza it measure 7v at both 4+5 and 6+7 (and 3.5v at 1+2) ???

Saying that, the machine plays well - as far as I can tell!

Any idea what is going on?

#15 6 years ago

Measure Vac on J101 like this:

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#16 6 years ago

Oh. Ok then I get 13.5v

(It's been said before but zaza your pictures are brilliant!)

#17 6 years ago

13.5 Vac is perfect.

Be sure the bridge rectifier is soldered on both sides of the circuit board.

Or possible old capacitors (C6+C7) but it is tricky to replace them. When not sure, ask a pro.

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