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(Topic ID: 129607)

Flight 2000 Drop Target Issue


By SilverBallKid

5 years ago



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  • 13 posts
  • 6 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 4 years ago by atariaction
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#1 5 years ago

Hey All,

Just picked up a F2K last week that is in pretty nice shape but there were mismatched drops in the countdown bank and one of them (#4) was broken completely off. I ordered a new set from Steve at Pinball Resource and installed them tonight. I am having an issue with the bank sequence and resetting. I've attached a link to a video I took tonight that illustrates what is going wrong. Here it is:

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/goldnapell/media/DSCF3093_zps3rtef8od.mp4.html

For the record, these drops have acted like this since I got the game and this is not something that started after I replaced the targets tonight. Also, not all targets in this bank have the same kind of spring. There are two types on these - one longer than the other. I found replacements for them at PinballLife tonight and I am going to order some just to get five new ones on and make sure that they are all the same.

This is my first experience with drops, so any advice you guys might have as to how to improve the performance of these would be greatly appreciated. Tomorrow I will double check to make sure they all have the springs hooked on in the same manner. I'm pretty sure they do.

Thanks,

Tim

#2 5 years ago

If the problem is that targets don't stay up when reset, the targets that PBR sells have a very slight dimensional difference that prevents them from reliably resetting. The "ledge" is slightly lower, meaning that the targets must be raised higher. The way some folks deal with this is to grind just a smidge from the coil stop of the bank reset coil(s).
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#3 5 years ago
Quoted from ChrisHibler:

If the problem is that targets don't stay up when reset, the targets that PBR sells have a very slight dimensional difference that prevents them from reliably resetting. The "ledge" is slightly lower, meaning that the targets must be raised higher. The way some folks deal with this is to grind just a smidge from the coil stop of the bank reset coil(s).

That's what I did when I replaced all my drop targets on Cheetah with PBR drops. Now they all reset properly, but there is still an annoying bricking issue. I attribute that to the plastic being different and it's either too pliable or too stiff. It would be cool to film this issue with a high speed camera to see why this issue happens. Bally targets seem to do this too. I want to think that Stern kind of knew they had a bricking issue with targets and why you see them at such crazy oblique angles to the ball travel.

If you can, stick with original targets. My Meteor, Galaxy and Star Gazer all have original targets and have had no problems with resetting or dropping.

#4 5 years ago

I'm realizing that I also need to slow down and do things right. It's hard when you're working on your fave table of all time...

Just pulled the coil apart thinking I was going to file the stop down and everything is filthy. Time to fire up the ultrasonic and get things clean before I move on to doing any filing. Also going to replace all those springs as I stated earlier. I'll update as I go along.

Can't thank you all enough for the suggestions. Keep 'em coming if you check this thread out and have anything you want to add.

One other question from someone who is still basically a noob: Since Stern is still in business, is there a reason that they don't still produce these targets according to their specs? Is it just the fact that there wouldn't be enough demand for them and they have better things to do, or is it something else?

#5 5 years ago

I had this issue and tried differnt springs,targets and still no luck. I put a piece of self adhesive felt on the bar that resets targets this pushes the target up slighter higher on the resest. This worked for me all targets reset correctly the felt I used is the stuff used on the bottom of bar stool legs

#6 5 years ago
Quoted from SilverBallKid:

Since Stern is still in business

While there is some relationship, it's really a different Stern.
Sam Stern, who built your Stern, was Gary's father, who builds new Stern's.
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#7 5 years ago

The bricking really sucks. Please update if you come up with a solution.

#8 5 years ago

OK so I have the switch stacks tuned in and everything is fine with these except for the re-setting issue. Have to say I'm torn between the idea of filing down the solenoid coil stop vs. adding a strip of something to the reset bar itself. I kind of like the strip on the reset bar idea so I may try it first.

To be honest, I have not noticed a serious bricking problem with my drops in that bank. I'm reserving judgement on that issue until I get the bank to consistently reset. I'll keep everyone posted as they have asked.

#9 5 years ago

I like the idea of adding something to the bar too, but that bar gets a real workout.
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#10 5 years ago

I filed down the cool stops with a bastard file and mine reset perfectly now. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

1 week later
#11 5 years ago

Yesterday I pulled out the bastard file and did as you guys suggested. Sure enough, the entire bank of drop targets now resets and I am no longer having an issue. Thanks for the tip!

Only one issue left and this table will be fully operational. Not bad for my first SS. Feeling good!

Thanks everyone who chimed in!

4 months later
#12 4 years ago

How much did you file off the coil stops? 1/16 of an inch on each or more like 1/32?

#13 4 years ago

To help solve this problem I filed the ledges of the drop targets so that they were 90 degrees again. They sometimes get worn to more like a 45 degree angle.

I also adjusted the metal arms that catch the drop target ledges. Some were bent pretty wonky. Right now I am actually having the problem that when you clear the bank of drops the ones that are supposed to drop back down are staying up. Anyone have a suggestion for that?

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