Bought a box of these last year from Amazon Prime and never looked back:

https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-50455A-Assortment-Treated-Retaining/dp/B000K7GRDW/ref=sr_1_3

I try to shop local all of the time. Unfortunately, I keep getting more and more situations where that is not possible. But when it comes to Lowes, Home Depot, and Menards, since they are corporate behemoths, I don't care.

Amazon to the rescue.

https://www.amazon.com/s

I bought a box just like that(probably diff brand) at Harbor Freight. It contained every size of clip except the one I needed. Either too big or too small.

Looking at a F2K and can't figure out what is going on with the bottom pop bumper. I just repaired the solenoid/driver board and Q3 was installed backwards. This connects to the bottom pop bumper and it's a wiring/hacking mess. I wonder if the transistor was installed backwards and then the person hacked their way to make it work. I just can't wrap my ahead around what's going on. The Red&Black wire is attached to the ground braid in the back of the machine .
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They made the pop bumper react directly instead of using the driverboard transistor (possibly because it was blown). The low voltage switch is activating the relay, which activates the pop bumper.

Thank you! I get it now.

This seems like a ton of work and additional parts. Would have been easier to correctly install the tip102 .

Question is--do I leave it or switch it back?

Does any supplier sell these rivet-looking drop target arm ends? I am missing a few, and so far, no luck finding any on Marco or PBL.

I may have found a workaround at the local hardware store, which is a screw-in dowel thingy.

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If anyone had these still it would be Pinball Resource. How many to you need? I may have a few spares.

Also you should try to remove the surface rust from the ones you do have. I run them in a tumbler with walnut media. Or dip them in Evapo-Rust for a few minute and then wipe them with a light oil.

The part number for the pin is 2A-230 and the E clip is 17A-104-25

Also check the floor of the cabinet for any small parts, you'll be amazed at what you might find. Drag a magnetized screw driver through the crap in the bottom of the cab.

If I had the cabinet, I would. All I have is the playfield. Yes, I'm restoring just part of a F2K. But with no Sunday car any more, I restore this.

Did you see my other post #658?

I have read your post. Let me get back to you on that. I have to put a few sub-assemblies back togeher, order some basic things from PBL and see where I'm at.

For the 3-drop target bank, one of my switches is all messed up at the very end.

Anyone got a URL for PBL or marco for an exact replacement? I haven't found any exact matches. Can't be too obscure as it's just registering a drop target hit.

There are not too many replacement switches for early solid state games. You may find some generic switches and few direct replacements. Usually you will need to rebuild the switch.

Pinball Resource has the parts to rebuild them. Universal blades that you can to length and install new gold flashed contacts on them. Usually you can reuse the old bakolite stacks and the plastic cylinders that hold them together. Buy all 3 gauges of blades that they offer so you have them on hand. Might as well replace the diode while your at it.

Cut to length

Hi, everyone. I'm still working on my F2K restoration and I noticed that the speaker has like 3 holes in it. The speaker has stamped on it 8 ohm and I'm assuming it's original to the game. 8 ohm 6" speakers are pretty rare compared to the 4 ohm, same sized speakers. Has anyone replaced their speaker with a 4 ohm? Or, if you have a link to an 8 ohm replacement, that would work too. Thanks!

I don’t remember if it is a 6” or 6.5” speaker but there are a bunch of 8ohm of both sizes on Amazon.

Try this:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/stern-magic-speaker

The link goes bad

https://www.radiodaze.com/speakers/

Nice! Thank you

I measured 6" on the speaker. I'll look again on Amazon, but I don't think the 8 ohm are very common. I see that cottonm4 linked a different site. I'll look at that, as well.

This looks like it could work:
https://www.amazon.com/Jensen-MOD6-15-Watt-Guitar-Speaker/dp/B005BFYQWC/ref=sr_1_16

Been working on my F2K restore. Spent some time taking the drop target banks apart to clean and polish everything. Kept everything original except for the plastic targets. Thought i’d share some after pics ..

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Nice work !

Great to see how things are put together.
I always wondered how other brands are doing the memory drop targets.
I hadn't seen one from Stern jet.

With no luck finding shoulder pins, I decided to 3D print my own. A few mm too long, but nothing I can't change. Yes, the targets are getting replaced.

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1/4 x 1/2 grooved clevis pin

ebay.com link: Clevis Pin Grooved 1 4 x 1 2 SS300 PL 25 Pieces

the above with free shipping is a MUCH better deal than : ebay.com link: ZORO SELECT 15929 1 4x1 2 S S GROOVED CLEVIS

the Harbor freight e-clips are garbage, I got some from Steve Young at Pinball resource ( good price on drop targets there too )

Action pinball suggests "Bally S-458-27" as a replacement for this discontinued shoulder stud but out of stock and overpriced. http://actionpinball.com/parts.php?item=2A-230

Great thread, i'm in the process of trying to bring a parts Flight 2000 back to life, boards are back to working condition, playfield is stripped down and a bit of touchup has been done, still needs a little bit more, but it looks a lot better than before, paint is not a perfect match.

Here are pictures of before and after:

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Joined the club last Night! My First classic SS Stern.

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2 questions.
Where's the volume and how do you get it on Free Play?

Volume should be the cylindrical knob just in front of the speaker in the cabinet and I don’t believe there’s a free play option.

Thanks.
I will look again. I've been around awhile and was really looking everywhere. It was late and I've been gone all day. So , I will check tonight.
I was beginning to think it was in head.

You set a credit by score threshold to 10,000 and the other two to whatever the score card reads

I had to put quarters in last night. Everything works, this thing is perfect for route. Just missing susan B mech center. Kind of want one now.

I can probably scrounge up an SBA mech if you need one. F2K also mt first SS pin, hence my pinside and rgp name. Had 4 so far, have a beautiful resto that I did on the current one.

You can get it on FreePlay, but that would require new roms.
There is a FreePlay set in PinMame called flightfp.zip
Look on http://vpuniverse.com in the downloads section.
You do need to become a member.

All right. Manual says knocker lower front cabinet. I have no knocker and no wires wondering around for a home, or even see screw holes in wood where one would have been.
Did this game come with a knocker?

There was no knocker on F2K. Electronic sound was added since there wasn't enough room on the sol driver for it.

The knocker on early sterns is located on the plywood base next to the rectifier board, look to the right, you may see 2 small pre-drilled holes.

Classic stern/bally solenoid driver circuits have 16 drivers for the coils IIRC. Since F2K has 5 coils just for the 1-5 drop targets, a third of them were used up, leaving only 11 drive circuits. EBD is another game with excessive coils. Bally designed a special board for that game called the solenoid expander board. (SEB)

I love F2K's electronic sound for a free game. Just as satisfying to me as the acoustical knocker!

I think there's a blast sound when winning exta ball.

Recently I've created a Tech Chart for Flight 2000.
I did not find anything for a knocker in the manual and schematics.
So it is also not listed in my Tech Chart.
The file will be on my website http://www.inkochnito.nl at the end of the month.

Correct. No knocker on F2K

The new code that Slochar is working on adds the missing knocker back into the game. Looking forward to adding it!

+1

How do you think he is going to do that?
All solenoid transistors are used.
You could change the coin lockout to be used as knocker, but all others are used in the game.

Stern_Flight-2000_Tech_Chart.pdf

Was going to use the coin lockout driver. I think there will be two versions. One that can use a knocker instead of coin lockout and another leaving it alone and keep the sound.