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Flash Gordon wrong speech?

By zacaj

4 years ago


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#26 4 years ago
Quoted from slochar:

There are components that affect the speech timing on the S&T board - I had 2 EBD's side by side and one was just slower by a bit and it drove me crazy because it wasn't how I 'remembered' EBD being - that's the one that got sold, and the other one happily is pitched 'better' to my ears. Possibly the differences are down to something like this.
Now, what those components ARE is a good question. If it's the actual TMS5200, you might be out of luck unless you can get a bunch of those to swap. Someone at some point should figure out how to mod the sample data to work with the more readily obtained TMS5220.

Back when I actually had a tube a TMS5200(kick myself for not buying all I could when I could) every NOS chip with the same lot/date codes sounded different when tested on the same board. Most where slight differences but some where darth vader, much slower/lower pitch and others where more towards the alvin in the chipmunks faster / higher pitch. Maybe the leg rot that happens on these chips gets up inside of the chip package and effects something or just they just always sounded different from day of production... not sure

A TMS5220 almost works dropped in but most phrases are garbled. Its like it is pin compatible but the instructions are different. Having the speech ROMs modified to use the TMS5220 would be awesome as you can still get that chip relatively easily. I don't even know if that is possible to do tho. Not having a TMS5200 because the original's legs rotted away is a reason many of these boards are dead. I have a box of them without speech chips.

Atari used I think both the TMS5220 and TMS5200 in the video game Gauntlet. They probably had the right development tools tho that might be just lost to time.

#28 4 years ago
Quoted from slochar:

I figured that the chip had a lot of analog circuitry in it so that accounts for the variations. Good to know on R9 in case I run up against it again.
It really grated on my ears to hear that slow EBD speech.

The speech clock resistor you can change to trim pot used like a rheostat and get some adjustment to pitch, but you can't make a darth vader tms5200 sound like an alvin chipmunk tms5200. Its hard to describe, but adjusting is worth trying.

#30 4 years ago
Quoted from Joydivision:

That's an interesting point, I wonder if they degrade/change over time.
I bought 7 NOS TMS5200NL chips nearly 20 years ago & I tested them when I got them, all the same date codes, I think 3 or 4 out of the 7 appeared to be faulty with garbled speech, the rest were ok, I sent them back & they sent me replacements - I remember when I had 7 working chips they did all had the same pitch when tested in the same board.
None had any leg oxidization when I got them, but I noticed recently that most now have a bit. I decided to vac seal the 6 of these I still have in a tube to halt this - this may be a first!
Also, going back earlier to around 1997, before their were any sellers on the net for chips like this, I needed a TMS5200 & could not find one anywhere or even a used S&T board at that time, so I bought a TI99 speech synthesizer which are cheapish & utilize a TMS5200.
Interestingly when I pulled the unit apart it had a different part number for the chip - CD2501E. It is funtionally identical to the TMS5200, just a different number. Works perfectly. That chip has also oxidised. No NOS CD2501E chips can be found anywhere.[quoted image][quoted image]

TMC0285 appears to be the same thing as TMS5200NL/CD2501E too but is also not available anywhere.

The Apple Echo II supposedly used a TMS5200 in the early versions of it, but all the pictures that come up in google image show a TMS5220.

Nice stash of chips. Hopefully having them in a vacuum sealed bag will slow down the leg rot that happens. Maybe throw some desiccant and oxygen absorbing packets in with it.

*edit* from wikipedia
TMS5200 (AKA CD2501E, internal TI name is '0285' hence chip is sometimes labeled TMC0285): Added 8-bit parallel FIFO interface; designed for use by the TI consumer division for the TI 99/4A speech module; also used on the 4th generation Bally/Midway pinball tables' Squawk and Talk speech board (part number AS-2518-61), on the Environmental cabinet version of the Bally/Midway arcade game Discs of TRON, on (earlier) Apple II Echo 2 cards, and on the Zaccaria arcade games Jack Rabbit and Money Money, and Zaccaria pinball machines Pinball Champ and Soccer Kings. Superseded by TMS5220 in late 1980/1981, and possibly sold as cheap, 'fire-sale' stock in 1982–1983. Uses the 'final' chirp table.

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