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Flash Gordon: Saviors of the Universe Club


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#801 1 year ago

Anyone have this problem? My upper targets can take a direct hit from the ball and not go down. The work perfectly almost all the time but when hit hard its like they tip backward rather than get pushed back. Hit them more gently, they go down.

#802 1 year ago
Quoted from BJM-Maxx:

Anyone have this problem? My upper targets can take a direct hit from the ball and not go down. The work perfectly almost all the time but when hit hard its like they tip backward rather than get pushed back. Hit them more gently, they go down.

Hood DT ?

#803 1 year ago

Sorry, not following.

#804 1 year ago

Show a picture of drop target

#805 1 year ago
Quoted from BJM-Maxx:

Anyone have this problem? My upper targets can take a direct hit from the ball and not go down. The work perfectly almost all the time but when hit hard its like they tip backward rather than get pushed back. Hit them more gently, they go down.

Mine do that periodically.

#806 1 year ago

It's the common "Bally Brick." If you hit the drop target too hard, it'll bounce right off like nothing happened. Happens in a lot of games though, not just Bally.

#807 1 year ago

Played Flash Gordon at MGC a lot - absolutely love it! Now to find one!

#808 1 year ago
Quoted from rack-em-up:

Mine do that periodically.

Quoted from FatPanda:

It's the common "Bally Brick." If you hit the drop target too hard, it'll bounce right off like nothing happened. Happens in a lot of games though, not just Bally.

The upper target bank has a flipper aimed right at them so I have not seen it on the other two target banks. Interestingly I also own an Embryon that also has a short range flipper aimed at a triple bank and I have never noticed the same behaviour. The only real difference is the FG targets are new ones. Just a wild guess, if the new ones were more flexible I could see this issue being worse.

#809 1 year ago

After doing the cabinet, I pulled the transformer, power module, the mounting plate, Etc all out of the machine and cleaned everything up and repainted it. I reinstalled everything and just installed the playfield this afternoon and the back box panel light panel. Plug the machine in and turn it on, and I get absolutely nothing. I've checked every fuse in the machine, made sure all the connectors are connected. I have power all the way through the switch up to the connector right before the transformer. Any ideas?

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#810 1 year ago

Can somebody please post a pic of how their right lower flipper switches are wired?

My game never had this connected and was missing the second switch that triggers the upper right flipper when it's activated so I don't have a reference pic.

I assume that the switch that triggers the upper right flipper switch should be closed by the eos switch on the lower right flipper when it opens, correct? But how do the switches mount to the flipper assembly? And which wires are which?

#811 1 year ago
Quoted from epeabs:

After doing the cabinet, I pulled the transformer, power module, the mounting plate, Etc all out of the machine and cleaned everything up and repainted it. I reinstalled everything and just installed the playfield this afternoon and the back box panel light panel. Plug the machine in and turn it on, and I get absolutely nothing. I've checked every fuse in the machine, made sure all the connectors are connected. I have power all the way through the switch up to the connector right before the transformer. Any ideas?
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Do the rectifier board voltages all look correct?

I just did a coloured transformer plate myself. Make sure you have solid continuity between the plate and the cabinet braid and the brackets to the plate.

#812 1 year ago
Quoted from BJM-Maxx:

Do the rectifier board voltages all look correct?
I just did a coloured transformer plate myself. Make sure you have solid continuity between the plate and the cabinet braid and the brackets to the plate.

I've checked continuity between braid and plate as well as between brackets and ground, and I have continuity all around. But I just checked test point voltages and I have no voltage at any of them. I can't imagine that the transformer would die just by pulling it out and painting it with high heat paint and reinstalling.

#813 1 year ago
Quoted from epeabs:

I've checked continuity between braid and plate as well as between brackets and ground, and I have continuity all around. But I just checked test point voltages and I have no voltage at any of them. I can't imagine that the transformer would die just by pulling it out and painting it with high heat paint and reinstalling.

Double check the fuse in the black holder next to connector before the transformer. Sometimes the cap doesn’t alway like to make contact on that too.

If that’s good, start checking the wires on the transformer, to make sure nothing came off or is shorted.

#814 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

Does anybody know if the targets on this era of Bally games ever used backing foam?
Finishing up my FG restore and none of my stand-up targets have foam behind them. Wondering if I should add it or if it it's considered "as intended" without it?

No Bally/Midway pinball's had backing foam in any standup targets.
Only when Williams bought Bally/midway, did the games have the backing foam.

#815 1 year ago
Quoted from vec-tor:

No Bally/Midway pinball's had backing foam in any standup targets.
Only when Williams bought Bally/midway, did the games have the backing foam.

Perfect - thanks.

#816 1 year ago
Quoted from epeabs:

After doing the cabinet, I pulled the transformer, power module, the mounting plate, Etc all out of the machine and cleaned everything up and repainted it. I reinstalled everything and just installed the playfield this afternoon and the back box panel light panel. Plug the machine in and turn it on, and I get absolutely nothing. I've checked every fuse in the machine, made sure all the connectors are connected. I have power all the way through the switch up to the connector right before the transformer. Any ideas?
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I would say keep following the path for voltage. Something I haven't seen before, those metal posts on the rectifier board. Could they be shorting traces?

#817 1 year ago
Quoted from mjalexan:

I would say keep following the path for voltage. Something I haven't seen before, those metal posts on the rectifier board. Could they be shorting traces?

I have already removed the metal posts to rule them out because I was thinking the same thing. Gonna remove the transformer and see if I can see if anything is loose or shorted. Everything worked great prior to removing the playfield, boards, and "power plate" to do the cabinet painting. I did install the metal posts since two out of the three plastic snap in plastic mounts were broken. But again, I have since removed them and it still doesn't work.

#818 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

Can somebody please post a pic of how their right lower flipper switches are wired?

Hope this helps!

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#819 1 year ago

Did you check continuity at the fuse holde (1)r? No AC voltages at the rectifier inputs (2)?

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#820 1 year ago
Quoted from epeabs:

After doing the cabinet, I pulled the transformer, power module, the mounting plate, Etc all out of the machine and cleaned everything up and repainted it. I reinstalled everything and just installed the playfield this afternoon and the back box panel light panel. Plug the machine in and turn it on, and I get absolutely nothing. I've checked every fuse in the machine, made sure all the connectors are connected. I have power all the way through the switch up to the connector right before the transformer. Any ideas?
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Start at the wall. Is it plugged in? Do you have power at that outlet? Then check the main fuse with the black cap. Make sure the fuse is good and the cap is seated good. Then check to make sure you have power going into the transformer. Then verify you have power coming out of the transformer. Keep following the chain and see where the power stops. But start at the wall and make sure you are getting power there and then work your way down the chain.

#821 1 year ago
Quoted from mjalexan:

Did you check continuity at the fuse holde (1)r? No AC voltages at the rectifier inputs (2)?
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I do have continuity at the fuse (1). As far as testing for voltage after the transformer, will any of the wires coming out of the transformer have voltage if its present, or am I testing specific wires?

#822 1 year ago
Quoted from kguenther6:

Start at the wall. Is it plugged in? Do you have power at that outlet? Then check the main fuse with the black cap. Make sure the fuse is good and the cap is seated good. Then check to make sure you have power going into the transformer. Then verify you have power coming out of the transformer. Keep following the chain and see where the power stops. But start at the wall and make sure you are getting power there and then work your way down the chain.

Thanks to all. FG lives. It turns out that the connector next to the fuse prior to the transformer had one pin that had slid out a bit unnoticed. I pushed it back in and it fired right up. As usual, most problems don't tend to be deep, they tend to be simple and right in front of your face.

#823 1 year ago
Quoted from BRW84:

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It *might*. I'll need to review my setup with that pin in hand and go from there. Away for Easter right now.

Thanks!

#824 1 year ago

It’s alive!

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#825 1 year ago
Quoted from Tsskinne:

It’s alive!
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That looks beautiful. It looks very similar to mine with the Hardtop and the translucent rubbers and red flippers.

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#826 1 year ago
Quoted from epeabs:

That looks beautiful. It looks very similar to mine with the Hardtop and the translucent rubbers and red flippers.
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Glad to see those Flash Gordon hardtops are working out so well. I'd really like to put mine on but I'm just having too much fun (?) playing the thing!

#827 1 year ago

Installed my hardtop this weekend. Looks awesome. Will slowly repopulate and adjust drops this week.

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#828 1 year ago
Quoted from blowback1976:

Installed my hardtop this weekend. Looks awesome. Will slowly repopulate and adjust drops this week.

Looks great. The big question - looks like rattle can clear - yes and if so, what kind? And what grit did you sand the inserts?

#829 1 year ago
Quoted from ReadyPO:

Looks great. The big question - looks like rattle can clear - yes and if so, what kind? And what grit did you sand the inserts?

Used Rust-o-lium 2x clear. Was happy with the results. Started with 100 and worked my way up to 800.

#830 1 year ago

getting closer to having mine finished! It plays 100% now, just need to finish the cab, trim and add LED’s

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#831 1 year ago

Hi fellow FG owners,

I've just received the new drop targets that I ordered on Ebay from Classic Arcades.

I was under the impression that these were supposed to be hot stamped, but the ones I received have decals on them. The ones I ordered for my Fireball II were actually hot stamped.

Does anybody know the story behind this?

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#832 1 year ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Hi fellow FG owners,
I've just received the new drop targets that I ordered on Ebay from Classic Arcades.
I was under the impression that these were supposed to be hot stamped, but the ones I received have decals on them. The ones I ordered for my Fireball II were actually hot stamped.
Does anybody know the story behind this?
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You should of purchased from pinball resource

#833 1 year ago

So I replaced my backglass with one of the brand new CPR backglass, fully mirrored version. It looks great, but the displays don't quite line up with the display windows now.

Also I know the CPR art is correct, but my original has no art where the strobe light is so it was even extra brite. Am I correct in assuming this was one of the early production backglasses? I don't have the squawk and talk board either I have the other two in the head.

#834 1 year ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Hi fellow FG owners,
I've just received the new drop targets that I ordered on Ebay from Classic Arcades.
I was under the impression that these were supposed to be hot stamped, but the ones I received have decals on them. The ones I ordered for my Fireball II were actually hot stamped.
Does anybody know the story behind this?
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If the seller (and auction) claimed that they are hot stamped and they showed up like this, I would have a case opened for misrepresenting the items and getting a refund. Agreed with madmax541 I always buy classic repro parts from pbresource. They are hot stamped.

#835 1 year ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Hi fellow FG owners,
I've just received the new drop targets that I ordered on Ebay from Classic Arcades.
I was under the impression that these were supposed to be hot stamped, but the ones I received have decals on them. The ones I ordered for my Fireball II were actually hot stamped.
Does anybody know the story behind this?
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Pinball Resource has the OEM dies from Bally...
However, He did have to remake some of the dies that were missing.

#836 1 year ago
Quoted from Madmax541:

You should of purchased from pinball resource

Um, ok...

But: I didn't. And now I'm asking a question here on the forum about people's experiences with this other salesman. That's ok, right?

#837 1 year ago
Quoted from FatPanda:

If the seller (and auction) claimed that they are hot stamped and they showed up like this, I would have a case opened for misrepresenting the items and getting a refund. Agreed with madmax541 I always buy classic repro parts from pbresource. They are hot stamped.

Thanks for the tip. I might do that. Thing is, the ad doesn't specifically say they are hot stamped. I assumed they would be, because the ad does say this:

CLICK HERE TO SEE A VIDEO OF OUR STATE OF THE ART HOT STAMPER IN ACTION

...and because the bumper caps I once bought for my Bally Playboy from this seller were actually hot stamped.

I asked the seller through Ebay if I've made a wrong assumption. Will let you know the reply.

#838 1 year ago
Quoted from vec-tor:

Pinball Resource has the OEM dies from Bally...
However, He did have to remake some of the dies that were missing.

Good to know. Next time, PBR it shall be. Have they updated their payment options already? I remember it being kind of a hassle to order from them from overseas.

#839 1 year ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Thanks for the tip. I might do that. Thing is, the ad doesn't specifically say they are hot stamped. I assume they would be, because the ad does say this:
CLICK HERE TO SEE A VIDEO OF OUR STATE OF THE ART HOT STAMPER IN ACTION
...and because the bumper caps I once bought for my Bally Playboy from this seller were actually hot stamped.
I asked the seller through Ebay if I've made a wrong assumption. Will let you know the reply.

ebay.com link » Bally Flash Gordon Pinball Machine Drop Target Set

Yeah, I just saw that. It is very misleading to state that you have a hot stamper (In action) but that they didn't state specifically that the targets were hot stamped. The assumption is there. At 50+6 shipping, and a negative feedback, I would pursue a refund and get the real thing from PB resource. They are $4.00 each plus shipping from Steve. Cheaper and the real deal.

#840 1 year ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Good to know. Next time, PBR it shall be. Have they updated their payment options already? I remember it being kind of a hassle to order from them from overseas.

They still do it old school. phone or email order, pay them by check once you receive the goods.

#841 1 year ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Thanks for the tip. I might do that. Thing is, the ad doesn't specifically say they are hot stamped. I assumed they would be, because the ad does say this:
CLICK HERE TO SEE A VIDEO OF OUR STATE OF THE ART HOT STAMPER IN ACTION
...and because the bumper caps I once bought for my Bally Playboy from this seller were actually hot stamped.
I asked the seller through Ebay if I've made a wrong assumption. Will let you know the reply.

Update: I got a reply from the seller. He states that his hot stamp is broken and offers a refund. I've sent him a reply, saying that I'd like a full refund. But also asking if the refund covers the (high) international shipping costs. Curious how he will reply.

#842 1 year ago
Quoted from BJM-Maxx:

Anyone have this problem? I replaced all coil sleeves and cleaned all mechanisms on my Flash Gordon. Now the saucer lobs the ball into the glass when throwing it onto the upper playfield. It does not hit hard and the game plays fine but I cannot see a nice way to reduce the saucer power. This was part of a long restore so the dirty coil sleeves are long gone.

Still looking for solutions to this saucer up kicker problem if anyone can help. I’ve tried bending/adjusting the kicker arm to no avail. I’ve double checked the coils are correct. I removed the coil spacer thing to introduce some more “slop”. Ball still pops up into glass. 90% of time it bounces straight back to saucer too...boring.

#843 1 year ago
Quoted from Spraynard:

Still looking for solutions to this saucer up kicker problem if anyone can help. I’ve tried bending/adjusting the kicker arm to no avail. I’ve double checked the coils are correct. I removed the coil spacer thing to introduce some more “slop”. Ball still pops up into glass. 90% of time it bounces straight back to saucer too...boring.

Strange that it wouldn't be more directional. Maybe try adding a few washers between the saucer mech and the underside of the PF to lower it a bit.?

#844 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

Strange that it wouldn't be more directional. Maybe try adding a few washers between the saucer mech and the underside of the PF to lower it a bit.?

And post a few pics of how it looks mounted, possible it's mounted "backwards? vs how it was orientated originally?

#845 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

And post a few pics of how it looks mounted, possible it's mounted "backwards? vs how it was orientated originally?

As far as I can tell the mechanism is symmetrical?

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#846 1 year ago
Quoted from Spraynard:

As far as I can tell the mechanism is symmetrical?
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Maybe test the resistance on the coil to rule out a short in the windings? What about the plunger tip, not deformed?

#847 1 year ago
Quoted from Spraynard:

Still looking for solutions to this saucer up kicker problem if anyone can help. I’ve tried bending/adjusting the kicker arm to no avail. I’ve double checked the coils are correct. I removed the coil spacer thing to introduce some more “slop”. Ball still pops up into glass. 90% of time it bounces straight back to saucer too...boring.

I have not had a chance to play with mine yet. In my case it plays fine, it hits the glass and actually lands almost on the single target, way up the upper playfield.

#848 1 year ago
Quoted from Jappie:

Hi fellow FG owners,
I've just received the new drop targets that I ordered on Ebay from Classic Arcades.
I was under the impression that these were supposed to be hot stamped, but the ones I received have decals on them. The ones I ordered for my Fireball II were actually hot stamped.
Does anybody know the story behind this?
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Classic arcades is poor quality in general.

#849 1 year ago

Go after him on Ebay. request a return and he will have to send you a shipping label to return the items and refund all your payment including the high shipping cost you paid. This guy sells a lot of bad quality products.

#850 1 year ago
Quoted from mjalexan:

Maybe test the resistance on the coil to rule out a short in the windings? What about the plunger tip, not deformed?

Upkicker coil reading at 14 Ohms. According to this table (https://www.flippers.com/coil-resistance.html), that is normal for an AO-27-1300 coil.

The tip of the arm itself is not deformed in any way.

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