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Fixing a bent/melted Doctor Who Dalek topper

By altan

8 years ago


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#1 8 years ago

So the Dr. Who machine I got has a Dalek topper that, I'm thinking, was closer to B-stock when Bally/Williams put it on the game. The Dalek's left side (the right side in the picture) looks compressed.

I'm doubtful there is any way to fix this, but I thought I'd reach out and ask. Careful heating from the inside? It seems unlikely, but I'll cross my fingers.

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If he cannot be repaired, that's ok. I'll just name him "Dalek Lefty" and he'll give my Doctor Who more character...

Update: See post later. I'm pretty sure that he softened up because of heat. Perhaps because of the Dalek head movement kit used.

#2 8 years ago

That's weird. Don't know about how to fix it but I would start by taking it off and separating the head from the body. It's only glued. Then you can evaluate just the body.

#3 8 years ago

poor bendy dalek. Look at how it was taken apart to add the motor.

#4 8 years ago

You could possibly fix it with some heat and an improvised mold to help maintain the shape. The problem with plastic is when heated it wants to return to it's original shape (unless it was injection molded that means a flat sheet). So if you don't have something to maintain the structure you'll end up with worse off than when you started.

#5 8 years ago

Call him "Lefty".

The part where it's glued together is the dome part on top. The layers on the bottom are one solid piece. I imagine there was some excessive heat from the lamp on that side of the topper. It's a very soft foamy/plastic.

If you try to heat that up/stretch it out, I can easily see him go from "Lefty" to "WTB DW Topper".

Tape a Viagra on the end of the Eyestalk.... say, "he has issues". Good for a laugh and you'll still have a blast playing.

Best of luck!
faz

#6 8 years ago

(Go Women's USA Soccer! Winners!)

Thanks for all the insight, pinsiders.

Lefty's cap (Dalek head) fits on well, other than it's slanted because of the "dent" in the base. As Pinball_fa stated, the problem is with the solid base piece.

I don't see anything in there that ever could have heated "Lefty" up to cause this. That's why I wonder if Lefty was poor quality control from Bally/Williams. Or maybe the Dalek's have a poor QA process themselves

I do worry about turning Lefty into a blob. Even if I attempted to heat it up, it would be difficult to control where it stretches...

#7 8 years ago

Here is a better picture...

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#8 8 years ago

It may not be in there now, but a lamp goes on a stick inside the head to light the little red plastic piece in the eyestalk and the red "ears" on the top.

Here's a video showing the light show up there. Motorized or not...the lamp still lit generating heat. There's also a string of 5 (I think 5) lamps along the base of the topper.

faz

#9 8 years ago

Hmm... might be the model railroad kitbasher in me talking out of turn, but if that were mine and I was keen on fixing it, I would cut that sagging center section out and build a new one.

The flared rings look OK, so you'd cut a seam where those rings meet the grid-textured panels. Then remove that warped center section.

Replace that section by building a new one, using patterned styrene sheets available from a hobby shop. Many patterns are available from brick to block to stone, in multiple scales and sizes. You might not find the "exact" match, but something "close enough" to pass is almost assured... and any difference would be far subtler than the Lefty Sag.

The sheets are highly curvable, so use the base of the Dalek and bend the sheet into a continuous ring, glued from the inside.

The half-round columns between the panels can be made with lengths of dowel or tubing. I'm guessing again that Rustoleum Aluminum would be a good color match - since that textured section is shadowed by the rings, again, a shade or two discrepancy would be passable. Or just paint the whole Dalek after you put it all back together.

Anyway, I don't have one of these yet so there might be some quirk that makes this unfeasible. But hopefully that gives you some ideas...

#10 8 years ago

Thanks goingincirclez. Very interesting... I'll look into those styrene sheets.

#11 8 years ago

Thinking about this over lunch...

1) cut 2/3 circle where non cut part is opposite side of depression. This cut is below the dalek's "fin"

2) hopefully able to "tilt up" the top of the Dalek now because of the cut, temporarily making his top level

3) fill opening resulting from cut and tilting with filler. Maybe bondo? Sugru? Wood putty?

4) let dry. Lightly sand and paint. Perhaps add some details.

Thoughts? What's a good filler?

#12 8 years ago

Bondo sounds good. You can use a nylon screen material to act as a patch so you wouldn't have to use a whole lot of bondo? Also, it does generate heat when hardening so test this a little. Probably ok to use. Now that I think about it, fiberglass with resin is the one that really heats up so yeah I'd use bondo.

#13 8 years ago

For what it's worth, the Dalek on my DW had a very similar lean in the base, but I was able to adjust the look a bit from how the top sat when I motorized the Dalek.

#14 8 years ago

Interesting yours has a similar issue. I wonder if it's the unspoken Dalek disease.

#15 8 years ago

The topper is made of vinyl. It's an identical material to what was used to make vinyl model figure kits in the 90's.
Remove it from the game and heat it on the inside with a hair dryer for 1 or 2 minutes until it becomes flexible (careful it will be very hot!) pull it to the shape you want...keep holding it in position and put it into a bucket of ice water to cool it and set the shape. You may need to do this a couple of times, but assuming it's just warped, this will fix it. Go back when done and reinforce this area with some epoxy putty if needed.

#16 8 years ago

dmz, great info. I really like the idea of heating it and fixing it, but just not sure it's possible to heat the appropriate area so that stretching only stretches to compressed part. By this I mean ... I will end up heating a larger area than the area I'd like to stretch.

Perhaps if the inside was heated (as you said) and then I pull on the outside fin, that might work as the fin wouldn't be hot/soft. I could get a spacer (the correct size) and stick it in there, the dunk it into cold ice water.

#17 8 years ago

Wow! I had good results with the hairdryer approach.

Warning: It takes VERY little time to heat up this Dalek. 5 seconds and it starts bending, no more than 10 seconds is needed!

Much better now. I can work to improve it, but there is some point of diminishing returns.

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I'm rather wondering if the Dalek head movement kit used in this guy generates too much heat. As I said, it does't require much to start softening up the material.

#18 8 years ago

Glad to hear Lefty is improving!

#19 8 years ago

Thanks Flake. I know Lefty really appreciates that, when he's not trying to exterminate you.

With the topper cover on (and even without), it looks SO much better. There is nothing obviously wrong anymore

#20 8 years ago

Wow! That looks much better! When you get it just right, perhaps you need a little support to keep it from sagging again (we all have "sag" issues).

Stretching with a frame would be ideal, but that's precision work on a non-precise dome.

The only thing I'd wonder about is a compound reacting with the plastic. Bondo/Epoxy generate a lot of heat (could cause to sag more) and have VOCs that may react. That foamy railroad stuff might be a good choice. Test on a small spot near the bottom. Fill in the divots on the inside (a Dalek Head bra).

FWIW, I spent HOURS trimming and tweaking mine to get it over a motorized Dalek assembly. It's weird how the texture of the material changes even within the same thickness of a layer. Can't imaging what causes that. My point being that anchor points inside the head may be very inconsistent and not suitable for frame.

faz

#21 8 years ago

Faz, glad you think it looks better.

Yea, the material is strange. The previous owner did the motorized Dalek install so I don't know if it took a while, like yours.

I'm still wondering why this happened. I wonder if heat from the backbox goes straight up and into the Dakek via the cable hole...

#22 8 years ago

The heat from the lamp inside the plastic head could do it. Add the five GI lamps under the dome.

Now add a weak spot in the casting when it was formed.

If you had a motorized head under there, it could have been done during the install (prior owner). Someone going rambo with a heat gun rather than a hair dryer.

Don't dwell on how Lefty got his gimp.... make him better and play some pinball
faz

#23 8 years ago
Quoted from pinball_faz:

Don't dwell on how Lefty got his gimp.... make him better and play some pinball

1 month later
#24 8 years ago

I spent some more time recently on Lefty. He is basically 100% now. Difference might be subtle in pics but he is better in person now.

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Oh, and this

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#25 8 years ago

This looks great!! Probably a solid case for some LEDs to prevent heat build up inside topper cover.

#26 8 years ago
Quoted from wxforecaster:

This looks great!! Probably a solid case for some LEDs to prevent heat build up inside topper cover.

Thanks!

Still not sure what caused it. Was this way when I got it. Might simply be sunlight.

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