fishtales pop up doesnt pop up to put ball to reel

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Quoted from yoshootme:
it's been a while!
anyhow, when the ball goes into the fish house it no longer gets sent to the reel. the coil tests ok in that when I press it in coil test mode it pops. the switch is active when I press it during the switch edge test.(#47) and the drop target works fine.
when it stays in the hole and the machine tries to set off everything like when a ball is stuck, it does eventually pop to the reel.
is that activated by an opt also?
any help would be appreciated. thanks, rich

Put the game in switch edge test and use a ball not your finger and see if that switch registers on the screen.That switch might need to be adjusted.Use a ball ok.report back

#3 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from pinmike:
Put the game in switch edge test and use a ball not your finger and see if that switch registers on the screen.That switch might need to be adjusted.Use a ball ok.report back

will do and report back! (on the 10th of dec).....thanks!

#4 4 years ago

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pinmike

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Quoted from yoshootme:
will do and report back! (on the 10th of dec).....thanks!

Sounds good

2 weeks later

#5 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from pinmike:
Sounds good

hey Mike, I ran a ball thru the fish house during switch edge and there was no activation. I am confused as to how the pop up works tho. is there an opto switch I am not seeing? I bought a switch leaf switch "Y" activator but I guess it was the wrong switch?? (SW-1A-167, A-11658-1)The solenoid tests good.
so anyhow, if I run the ball into the fish house and there is no sound indicating any switch activation I am assuming i need a new switch? but which one? I only see a solenoid that would hit the ball popper. what am i missing? thanks Mike!

#6 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from pinmike:
Sounds good

never mind! found the broken "Y" in the box! replacing the switch and all should be good!

#7 4 years ago

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pinmike

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Quoted from yoshootme:
never mind! found the broken "Y" in the box! replacing the switch and all should be good!

Ok,is everything working now?

#8 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from pinmike:
Ok,is everything working now?

soldering as we speak! will let you know. thanks again.

#9 4 years ago

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pinmike

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Quoted from yoshootme:
soldering as we speak! will let you know. thanks again.

#10 4 years ago

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ejacques

WMPC

Chicopee, MA

9y 54,800 900 50

What is the "Y" activator? I'm actually having a similar issue with my Fishtales and I want to take a peek.

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Quoted from yoshootme:
hey Mike, I ran a ball thru the fish house during switch edge and there was no activation. I am confused as to how the pop up works tho. is there an opto switch I am not seeing? I bought a switch leaf switch "Y" activator but I guess it was the wrong switch?? (SW-1A-167, A-11658-1)The solenoid tests good.
so anyhow, if I run the ball into the fish house and there is no sound indicating any switch activation I am assuming i need a new switch? but which one? I only see a solenoid that would hit the ball popper. what am i missing? thanks Mike!

#11 4 years ago

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pinmike

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Quoted from ejacques:
What is the "Y" activator? I'm actually having a similar issue with my Fishtales and I want to take a peek.

It's a switch in the shape of a Y or U that goes right on top of that coil that kicks the ball into the reel

#12 4 years ago

EJJ

ejacques

WMPC

Chicopee, MA

9y 54,800 900 50

Found it! Thanks! The little roll pin that holds it to the plunger was partway out so it wasn't making good contact.

Quoted from pinmike:
It's a switch in the shape of a Y or U that goes right on top of that coil that kicks the ball into the reel

#13 4 years ago

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pinmike

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Quoted from ejacques:
Found it! Thanks! The little roll pin that holds it to the plunger was partway out so it wasn't making good contact.

Sounds great talk about perfect timing huh? 2 problems solved in one thread

#14 4 years ago

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ptrav1

GoaTPinball

9y 66,300 577 33 13

This thread is why I like pinside.

#15 4 years ago

BOB

bssbllr

In Memoriam

Frankfort, NY

10y 75,050 1,730 1

OP
Quoted from yoshootme:
soldering as we speak! will let you know. thanks again.

Is everything alright 20 hours to solder that seems a little long. Waiting to see how all worked out for you.

#16 4 years ago

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pinmike

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Quoted from bssbllr:
Is everything alright 20 hours to solder that seems a little long. Waiting to see how all worked out for you.

Ha! He’s too busy playing and forgot to post back.

#17 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from pinmike:
It's a switch in the shape of a Y or U that goes right on top of that coil that kicks the ball into the reel

well I guess I did a poor solder job. the switch works and the ball pops up and to the reel but the entire machine isnt working properly. that is, when it goes in the hole and shoots over it doesn't lock, the reel keeps going etc and sometimes it even starts a multiball etc. bad soldering? connecting only one green wire or something like that? my hands don't work like they used to and its difficult for me....maybe just try to re-solder? could all these problems be from just that...a bad solder? ugh

#18 4 years ago

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ptrav1

GoaTPinball

9y 66,300 577 33 13

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Quoted from yoshootme:
well I guess I did a poor solder job. the switch works and the ball pops up and to the reel but the entire machine isnt working properly. that is, when it goes in the hole and shoots over it doesn't lock, the reel keeps going etc and sometimes it even starts a multiball etc. bad soldering? connecting only one green wire or something like that? my hands don't work like they used to and its difficult for me....maybe just try to re-solder? could all these problems be from just that...a bad solder? ugh

The switch on the wireform just before the reel may be flaky if it pops up and goes to the reel but the reel keeps spinning. Just replaced that one due to the same issue and now it works fine.

#19 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from ptrav1:
The switch on the wireform just before the reel may be flaky if it pops up and goes to the reel but the reel keeps spinning. Just replaced that one due to the same issue and now it works fine.

thanks. just strange that it all worked prior to me "fixing" the pop up switch in the fish house.

#20 4 years ago

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ptrav1

GoaTPinball

9y 66,300 577 33 13

Agree but if it wasn’t sending it down the wireform you wouldn’t know that switch was bad. The one on the game I fixed had been flaky for a while but just kept getting worse and not recognizing the ball. You could try just bending the arm of the switch out a bit to see if the extra torque on it from the ball fixes it. That worked for a while on mine.

#21 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from pinmike:
Ha! He’s too busy playing and forgot to post back.

my machines are in the ADirondacks at my vacation home. I go back and forth and was waiting for the switch

#22 4 years ago

BOB

bssbllr

In Memoriam

Frankfort, NY

10y 75,050 1,730 1

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Quoted from yoshootme:
ADirondacks

My backyard.

#23 4 years ago

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pinmike

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OP
Quoted from yoshootme:
well I guess I did a poor solder job. the switch works and the ball pops up and to the reel but the entire machine isnt working properly. that is, when it goes in the hole and shoots over it doesn't lock, the reel keeps going etc and sometimes it even starts a multiball etc. bad soldering? connecting only one green wire or something like that? my hands don't work like they used to and its difficult for me....maybe just try to re-solder? could all these problems be from just that...a bad solder? ugh

Ok there are optos on the reel do they register in switch menu test?

#24 4 years ago

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trilogybeer

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Elkhorn, WI

11y 150K 8,895 14 2

Did the new fork switch come with a diode ? If not it needs one .And if it did ,is it backwards?

#25 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from trilogybeer:
Did the new fork switch come with a diode ? If not it needs one .And if it did ,is it backwards?

i used the diode from the old one and it is in the right direction. thanks for your response. if i did a poor job soldering (say only one of the wires is connected instead of two??) would it make that part of the game do crazy things like I described?

Quoted from pinmike:
Ok there are optos on the reel do they register in switch menu test?

I will check but everything was working but the popper prior to my solder job.

#26 4 years ago

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pinmike

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Quoted from yoshootme:
(say only one of the wires is connected instead of two??

Yes it is possible that can happen,Just solder on the switch and wires,diodes back the exact way they were.Make sure the diode(banded side) is in the right direction

#27 4 years ago

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trilogybeer

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Elkhorn, WI

11y 150K 8,895 14 2

Most likely not , if one wire was not making a connection the switch wouldn’t register. Sounds as though you have something interfering with a column or row in the switch matrix , making the game think the locks in the reel are full . Any solder drips ? I would start with wire colors . Any switch that has the same color wires as the fork switch could be suspect . If nothing obvious there then those wires will lead you back to the board and good spot to start looking there .

#28 4 years ago

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Quoted from pinmike:
Yes it is possible that can happen,Just solder on the switch and wires,diodes back the exact way they were.Make sure the diode(banded side) is in the right direction

thank you. will give it a go.

#29 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from trilogybeer:
Most likely not , if one wire was not making a connection the switch wouldn’t register. Sounds as though you have something interfering with a column or row in the switch matrix , making the game think the locks in the reel are full . Any solder drips ? I would start with wire colors . Any switch that has the same color wires as the fork switch could be suspect . If nothing obvious there then those wires will lead you back to the board and good spot to start looking there .

thanks. will take a look

#30 4 years ago

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yoshootme

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Quoted from yoshootme:
thank you. will give it a go.

up and running. bad soldering job. just took everything off and re did it and its fine. (been awhile )....thanks for your help mike.

#31 4 years ago

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pinmike

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