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Fish Tales Fly casting Reel Question

By GPS

9 years ago


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#1 9 years ago

Hi Fellas,

Quick question on the fly casting reel which holds the balls sent to it by casters club.

When there is a ball in the reel that has not been taken advantage of by the end of the game, the reel will rotate to try and get it out. Sometimes this is successful and sometimes not. If not, then when you push the start button to begin a new game, the game will try and again get that ball out which again, will sometimes be successful the first time and sometimes not which would require a second push of the start button to try and get the ball out. At this point, the ball is usually evacuated and a new game can be started.

Is this indicative of an issue with the game (which I suspect, Opto??) or does this just happen and it is a part of livin with the game so to speak. The reel spins so fast that it seems like this speed may actually help keep the ball locked in and not allow it to fall out of the backside of the reel.

Any thoughts here guys would be most appreciated. Thank you as always.

George

#2 9 years ago

maybe it needs the belt replaced

#3 9 years ago

Just replaced the belt and the plastic cam that the belt connects to

G

#4 9 years ago

I unfortunately do not know a fix, but I can tell you it is not normal. Mine kicks it out every time. (knock on wood!)

#5 9 years ago

That is not normal behavior, was the belt replaced with an actual FT reel belt or a PF rubber? Do you mean the balls do not come out of the reel or the catapult arm cant launch them every time?

If you just did install a genuine belt and the cam and they do not come out of the reel, then it is most likely an opto issue, clean and reflow.

If it is the catapult arm not launching correctly, then it could be the cam binding, the catapult arm binding up inside the coil or the coil could be weak. Keep us posted

#6 9 years ago

thumbs up on above thread. needs to be the actual replacement belt, not a playfield rubber. dealt with that issue a couple times before.

#7 9 years ago
Quoted from Pin_Crazed:

That is not normal behavior, was the belt replaced with an actual FT reel belt or a PF rubber? Do you mean the balls do not come out of the reel or the catapult arm cant launch them every time?
If you just did install a genuine belt and the cam and they do not come out of the reel, then it is most likely an opto issue, clean and reflow.
If it is the catapult arm not launching correctly, then it could be the cam binding, the catapult arm binding up inside the coil or the coil could be weak. Keep us posted

Hi Guys

The belt was an actual belt for the application and not a playfield rubber. The belt is clear in color so I think that is correct. When you say clean and reflow, can you please elaborate?

I am thinking that I may have an opto board issue. Here is why. I was watching a video on YouTube where the problem was that the right side sling shot would fire when the ball was not striking the switches (rubber). I am also experiencing this issue. The issue was found to be on the opto board. Either the lm339 was bad or a bad diode on the opto board. What I would really like to do is to find another opto board that is known to be good and substitute with the one in the game. Don't know if any exist and what the feelings of the forum may be on this suggestion. Please weigh in. I talked to a local tech and his feedback was that he has rarely seen an lm339 fail. Again your thoughts. This really seems to be the only two issues with the game and may very well be related???

I think it would be pretty straightforward to swap out the existing lm339 as well as the diodes. Think there are only three or four! Just need to get the right soldering tool to beat up the existing lm339 for removal. I would then put in a socket and install a new lm339 along with the diodes. Again, your thoughts are what I need here.

I am grateful for all input guys!!

Thank you

G

#8 9 years ago

For hot to add that the kicker is working just fine. If the ball ejects from the wheel than it is ejected almost immediately. It is just getting it out if the reel to be ejected

Thanks all

G

#9 9 years ago

It does sound like it is just the opto's for the reel. The genuine belts are clear, you should be good. When they get old they slip and can create the same issue you are experiencing, if you use PF rubbers, this generally happens much quicker then a genuine reel belt.

It is unlikely it is the LM339, it could be, but it is doubtful. Start with the Optos for the reel. Take a q-tip and a tiny bit of rubbing alcohol, you may have to pull some of the cotton off first so it will fit in the tiny area in front of the opto or ideally, remove the optos so you can clean them, and swipe them a couple two three times.

While you are there you may as well flow the solder joints on the opto boards, just heat them up just enough with your soldering iron to flow a tiny bit more solder to wire pad. It can be tricky, the wires tend to move when the pad flows, so you may want another person there to hold the wires in place while you apply the solder or use another method of keeping them in place.

I would think their is a video somewhere on you tube showing the process, but it is really simple, just don't apply too much heat to the solder pads for too long, you dont want to damage them with the heat, you just want the solder to flow for a second and create the strong joint again.

Try it out and let us know, it should be a simple problem to address, with troubleshooting anything, don't read too far into it, just take one step at a time from simplest to hardest and you will fix it.

#10 9 years ago

Hello Collin,

Again, I am grateful for your willingness to assist. I have said it before and will again, I would be screwed without this forum. No, I simply wouldn't be in the hobby!!

I am not sure where the optos are for the reel but I will find them. If you know off the top of your head and can direct me that would be great if not no worries. I assume they are at the bottom part of the reel somewhere. I will just try cleaning first and see what that accomplishes in keeping with your suggestion of KISS.

Thank you Sir. Will advise.

G

#11 9 years ago

Collin,

OK, I removed the opto assembly and cleaned the opto's. They were a bit dirty and I understand that this can cause poor performance or worse, intermittent performance. I found the opto board on Marco for $30 and figure what the heck. I did notice that the wiring from those optos go right to that A13901 opto board which was suspect in my other issue. Thoughts...

Thank you,

G

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