Hey look what I found on the top right of the schematic......

Labeled for my reference
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So unless I can come up with a temporary solution I'll be making a hardware store run tomorrow for alligator clip leads. I'll see if I can get things connected in the right spot. Then think about re-soldering the connector. I do have one extra wire on my door plug however so I may need to change something on the door as well. right now it looks like the replay button should return on yellow instead of it's separate wire

Edit: I also tried just linking the Green-Blk and Yellow together since these pass through the NC A.C switch but the game would not function. Acted the same as if the door was completely disconnected

Looks like I may be needing a few more. I picked up the test leads but simply matching the colors is not yielding any results. Could I get some picture of the back of the coin door. just want to confirm what wires are going to which switches and lights. I match the connections to the schematic as well but I just get a buzzing as if the door is not connected.

Thank you again.

Ran up tp Harbor Frieght for a set of test leads.
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Made myself a reference sheet for what I "thought" was correct going by the schematic.
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Then gave it a go..
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All my hopes dashed. I tried a few configurations going off djblouw's pictures as well but wasn't able to get things running.

I did link everything through in it's "normal" configuration and tried just removing A5 since that was feeding into the coin chute 3 coil. But when I did the game would not turn on at all. I've got to be overlooking something simple.... somewhere. Feel like I'm making this too complicated.

Haha you're braver than me! Plus I have no soldering gear yet. Didn't want to run out and just grab the 30 watt pos at AutoZone. Going to be ordering an adjustable one with changeable tips. Soon as I can decide which one... and a solder sucker too.

If anything this project is knocking a few tools off my want list =)

Grabbed 4 of these at harbor freight today as well. Should save my back moving the pins around.

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Wife brought me a case of Yuengling home from Ohio.. that helped keep the figurative fuse from blowing. It was close though lol

As an aside I checked continuity on the door plug to check for shorts in the door. A2 , 4 and 5 are all ringing. Seems right to me as 2 and 4 pair for GI on the schematic and 5 goes to the N/C A.C. switch on the door.

When I trip the N/C A.C. switch on the door it does disengage coin chute coin 3 as I hoped since it feeding into A5 on the bottom board. But it does disengage the score motor as well.

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Posted for polyacanthus. Here's the schematic by the transformer.

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Been working with polyacanthus through PM and we've made some progress. Thank you so much for you help through all this.

I wired the door up like my diagram again. Initially I thought I had messed up. Turns out while yes the game sits there buzzing when plugged in. If I hit the replay button on the door or a coin slot switch the A.C relay locks and I get GI and one turn of the score wheel. However after that everything stops (GI stays on) and I get the buzzing again until I hit a coin switch. But one rotation and stop.

Hey it's progress right.... =)

No problem what so ever. You're doing me a great favor can't thank you enough.

Perfect and thanks again. That answers the last of my door wiring questions. I was right woohoo think that deserves a beer.

Thanks for the heads up won't bother trying them on the pins. Figured with the weight distributed across 4 it would be ok. I'll keep them around for lighter stuff. I'm getting to old to just man handle everything... well I don't recover like I used to anyway Also it's 52 miles round trip to harbor freight barely worth the gas for $12. Assuming there are stronger ones out so there I'll see if I can find some local. Worst case I'll make something.

Sweet sweet progress. I can now start a game. Still have to set the reels to zero manually but one step at a time. With the door wiring figured out I'll be getting back to reel and stepper cleaning. Realizing I probably should have put this thread in the restoration category....

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Quick question for everyone. I'm starting to work on the score reels and I'd like to clean everything as best I can. In order to get the coil and bracket out I need to remove two switches. How do you guys go about removing these and keeping everything together without damaging the switch and bakelite? Thanks

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Thank you. Seems so obvious now that I see it. Didn't even cross my mind. Now where did I put those things, I've got 100s of them around here somewhere.....

Quick tid bit before I call it a night. I starting on cleaning the score reels. I'm just going to wipe down the plastic parts with alcohol until I get some Novus 2 then I'll get the number reels cleaner.

I also pulled the score reel mounting bracket.
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Despite my reservations about using scotch bright the Brasso was just not doing the job. Below is after GSB, Brasso then Alcohol. It's better but not quite there. I know I took a good layer off that bracket but the rust was driving me bonkers.
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Started doing the same with the 0-9 reel bracket. The latch has been cleaned the same as the mounting bracket. Haven't started on the main bracket yet.
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But alas my OCD is not satisfied plus I spent nearly 40 minutes just on the latch. It had a good bit of rust on it as opposed to some other pieces. I do have a wire wheel I could put in my drill but getting in the tight areas would be a pain. I'm trying to avoid the obvious scratches in the metal as well.

I'm considering getting a tumbler. Would like to know everyone's opinion on the subject. I see a good amount of people use them for metal parts on the PF but I'm wondering if there are any pit falls to putting these brackets in. I do have reservations about doing the smaller pieces, nuts, bolts, springs etc. but I'm sure there's an efficient way to find them once the tumbling is done. Unless I should be looking at the small quart size tumblers for bolts and what not.

Yes, I said my goal was just to give this one a basic clean and get it running smoothly. However if I'm going to be taking everything apart anyway I just as soon do it once and do it 100%

You all have been a great help and I can't thank you enough. I'm becoming completely hooked on working on these machines. Even after just a week it has been one of the most gratifying experiences I've had. I've found my new addiction

another why didn't I realize that moment.... I use that on my game console plastics all the time.... Assuming rinsing it with water won't hurt the numbers on the reel.

Thank you. I'm hoping it will. I'm having a blast and haven't even played a game yet

Thanks guys, it was late last night and after re-reading my post about the plastic stuff I see I wasn't really clear. I was using the alcohol on the gear , latch and what not. The number reel I just wiped with a dry rag to get the dust and bug droppings off. I intended to use the novus 2 just on the score reel. But I will be doing the dish soap brush method tonight. I should really stop posting after midnight

Thanks again for the warnings. On a side note does anyone make reproduction score reels?

Little bit of progress tonight. I was hoping to have a tumbler but my local HF was out of stock. Kinda worked out though after doing some more reading at talking to the wife I've got her blessing and permission to order a Dillon CV-2100. Yes it's a good chunk more considering I had a 20% off coupon for HF. But after reading through multiple threads on here and elsewhere the Dillon sounds like the better route. Especially if I end up doing the ball trough or other big parts. Not to mention I'd trust a Dillon tool to last way longer than anything at HF. It'll come in handy in the garage too. So yay! more tools.

Any way I took a good look at the score reels and since they are all the same I decided to disassemble them all.

Lesson learned about dropping stuff.....

Also vacuumed out the back box so jrpinball wouldn't have to endure any more pictures of the bg flakes

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Look at those yummy contacts

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First batch of stuff that will hit the tumbler once it shows up.
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Shiny! Is there a better alternative to the GSB I really hate those scratches
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I still need to grab some zip ties to get the switches off the coil plates hopefully tomorrow.

All the plastics are bagged up and will get a washing with the dawn and water. Going to recruit my munchkin since he's been begging to help.

Not sure how long it will take for the tumbler to arrive but until then I'll most likely continue stepper disassembly in the back box. I'd like to be moving on to the play field by mid next week if at all possible. Have orders going out tonight for wax, rubbers etc... Finally!

My wife has jumped on board way more than I expected. If I may quote the Mrs. "I really like what working on these has done to your mood" and when Mama's happy Daddy gets new tools lol Gotta say this is the first hobby she's been so happy with. The "more pins when the basement is done" conversation has already come up I know most of this is old hat to many who have been in the hobby for years but I'm really starting to understand the passion that goes into these machines and keeping them alive.

Until next time.

Of course I took a lot of..... aww crap may have forgot to note which picture was which reel. Should be fine they are all exactly the same. Shy a contact plate on the 10s reel. Plus the wiring harness drops them all out nicely in groups.... yep that's self reassurance right there

Picked up a few bits tonight. I couldn't find my small zip ties so I grabbed a couple packs. Will get the coil brackets of next. Grabbed a pack of cheap brushes to cut down and try the dawn cleaning on the plastics.

Eta on the tumbler is Tuesday so slow going till then. Soldering iron should be here Friday. Lets see how rusty I've gotten over the years and rewire that coin door plug this weekend!

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Also I found something that made my OCD smile. After hearing the suggestion to use a cut down brush for cleaning the plastic I thought I'd try another use. Probably cut this too short but it worked well and was under $1
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This was after vacuuming

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And after a quick hit with the brush.

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Gotta run have a good day all hopefully more updates tonight.

Thanks Ryan. I wasn't sure how impregnated the dirt would be in the cloth but I'll be hitting the whole harness now. I was reading an Indianan Jones restore thread when the guy actually washed the whole harness then cleaned it in a ultrasonic cleaner. Obviously not something I would ever consider with cloth wire. But got me thinking what I could do for that little extra touch.

Here is said thread if you want to give it a look. IMO amazing attention to detail and some cleaning techniques I would have never though of.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/ij-restoration-started

Evening all. Sorry for the lack of substance last couple of days. Had to take my wife to the ER yesterday morning and then came home last night to water in my basement again. This time from the foundation in three different places..... uggg. At least a broke pipe was something I could fix! Needless to say I've had to shift my focus a bit. Wife is doing fine she messed up something in her shoulder pretty good and was in pain to the point of tears. She is stuck in a sling till Thursday at minimum. I've been working on moving more stuff out of the basement and getting my electronics work station setup. I had tools and pieces parts in about 10 different places. Just to clarify a lot of this (tools, work area etc) was already in my plans prior to the pins due to my other various electronics hobbies. The pins just got my wife on board enough to kick them up the priority list a bit Now how do I sneak another tool chest into the house....

I did get a nice mail call today from Amazon and Marcos. (not the magnifying light but damn do I love that thing lol) Finally I can quit borrowing stuff to solder

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I gave up trying to find the wax locally.

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This should work out a lot better than working on an old computer desk.
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Hope to be back to the grind on Op-Pop-Pop by Sunday. Take care all until next time!

Alright so I got burned out working on the basement and squeezed in some time for the Bally. In truth I had a few beers and stayed up way too late. Got back at it this afternoon.

Started stripping down the play-field. Taking a ton of pictures to get everything back in the right place. The paint color difference is crazy. Would have loved to see this machine new. Surprised the covered wood was actually lighter I assumed the exposed wood would have been faded.

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The lower plastics turned out to be pretty yellowed. I read somewhere you can clear plastics with heat but it was being done on modern ball ramps not sure if same holds true for these
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Encountered a couple switches I didn't expect. Needed to remove the one at the top to get the arch off. The ball trough one I can work around for cleaning. Trough will be part of the second tumbler batch.
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Not the prettiest desolder job but it worked.
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Mushroom bumpers came off really easy didn't even think to take pictures. They connect same as a flipper button so I didn't need to remove any switches.

My son on the other hand wanted to jump in and starting taking pictures. That he "wants to take to day care"
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Now I'm stuck on a few things. The roll over buttons, the pegs at the top and the inserts.

Does anyone know if the pegs are screwed in or just hammered in. I could not get them to turn. But I'm hesitant to knock the out with a punch in fear I will chip the play-field. As you can see they are pretty rusty and I'd love to get them out and cleaned up. If it's too much risk I'll try to clean them by hand while they are installed.

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Next is the roll over buttons. They have a small e-clip installed and I can't tell if the nut can come off with them on. I haven't tried yet since it looks like I will need to move all the switches out of the way.

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Lastly is the inserts. They are a bit more cupped than I thought. Judging by the wear around them. I didn't think the wax would be thick enough to over come this but I could be wrong. I've read a couple different ways to handle this. Remove and sand flush replacing the labels with water slide decals. Or touch up and fill with some clear coat and let it level then sand. I think in this case the second option is best due to this odd font. But I am nervous about it

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Couple more play-field items I'd like to clean up but haven't looked into yet.

The ball arch wear and the black spots on the play-field. not sure how those spots at the right or the arch would have even gotten there.
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And getting the white out of the shooter lane.
I did a quick wipe with naphtha but once it dried all the way the white was back.
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So here's how she looks right now.
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On a side note I know there is contention about led vs traditional but I really like what this guy did at the top of his play-field. Assuming those are color changing leds.

Until next time! Take care all.

Oh the rabbit hole..... I don't know if a full clearing job is something I could do. I don't have the equipment right now and was hopping to avoid stripping the bottom of the PF. Which I would have to come close, to get to all the inserts. But not totally out of the question if need be. I'm leaning more towards "topping" them with clear but who knows.

Finished out the night cleaning the score reel parts with the kid. He was having a blast just being part of everything. Already asking if there's more to clean tomorrow. Excuse the disgusted look on my face 4 y/o + water = splash Dad

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The reels came out pretty well. I did get all the insect droppings off.

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Flash makes them look really white. I wish they looked this good!

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I did try a small bit of Novus 2 on one after but the difference if any was negligible.

After he went to bed I figured I'd try a couple things on the PF. Gave it a wipe down with naphtha first.

Left is novus 2 right is ME and alcohol. I'm sold on the ME and the PF is taking it well. No paint loss in my small section here. Though there appears to be some planking I won't be able to over come in the white. ME might do it but I didn't want to press too hard at first.
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That's all for now back to work in the AM.

I take it back a bit. It was flame polishing. Not really making it clear more taking scratches out. I've been reading so many things some are starting to blur together.