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First machine with dummy zero

By paulace

3 years ago



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    #1 3 years ago

    Just another question of historical interest - does anyone know what the first machine was that incorporated the dummy zero. I know it was different for different companies - Gottlieb probably being last to use it. But what was the first machine?

    #2 3 years ago

    If you mean the phenomenon of a score-reel-like dummy zero, start with Williams Army Navy
    https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=91
    and read the notes. But that's from the era where bulbs behind the backglass dominated. In the early 1960s, all the pinball games used score reels and scored in single points. Then phony zeroes reappeared; Bally was a big proponent. There are a couple complicating factors in analyzing scoring styles of the sixties, though: add-a-ball games got phony zeroes ahead of their replay counterparts, and rifle games almost always had at least phony zero throughout this time range.
    .................David Marston

    #3 3 years ago

    Thanks Dave - yeah, I meant specifically the score reel dummy zero over in the "1"s column. I just worked on a Bally "4 Queens" this morning, from 1970 which had the dummy reel, and I think there was one Bally from the year before, 1969, that had it as well..."King Rex". That may have been the first Bally to have it - just wondered if Williams or Chicago Coin had one with that dummy zero before that.

    Thanks for the link to Army-Navy. Is a "totalizer" just something they called a score reel back then?

    #4 3 years ago

    Williams "Army Navy" would be my guess as well. In the early fifties, they ran off about a half dozen games with score reels. They had only three active reels, and the rest of the digits were dummy zeroes.
    Oddly, Williams reverted back to a game with bulb scoring in the early sixties, called "Space Ship". By this time, score reels were standard equipment in all pinballs. I believe "Space Ship" was the last pinball with lamp scoring. I believe you may be correct about "King Rex".
    The domestic replay version "King Tut", had four digit scoring, with four active score reels.
    Bally "On Beam", which preceded it, has five digit scoring, using five active score reels. I can't think of another game which has this.
    "King Rex" was meant for export, and overseas operators were already hacking four digit games with a fifth dummy digit. Perhaps Bally caught on to this, and produced Rex with a factory installed dummy zero for the foreign market.

    #5 3 years ago
    Quoted from paulace:

    Is a "totalizer" just something they called a score reel back then?

    Primarily in the time frame before backboxes. Games in the early 30s had no backboxes so many playfields had score reels/counters and these were called totalizers. On IPDB, do a Quick Search using the word "totalizer" (no quotes) to see them.

    Also, do a quick search on "dummy" (again, no quotes) and you will find 1934 Autobank has two dummy zeroes in its playfield totalizer.

    Quick Search is your friend.

    #6 3 years ago

    Thanks jr and IPDB - I love being able to tap into what folks know around here! I didn't realize those early games had score reels (totalizers). I'll look them up on IPDB and take a gander....thanks!

    I thought it would be a clear line of demarcation between machines with a dummy score reel zero at the end and those with all active score reels, but it sounds like it's a little more complicated than that.

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