Quoted from frenchmarky:I mean if a game with no bonus feature has outlanes which always score 100 points, the ball is leaving the playfield and it scores a fixed number of points but I don't consider that end of ball bonus either.
Neither do I, but isn't that because the ball is still leaving the playfield and has not left the playfield?
Quoted from jrpinball:Doesn't count if it's a fixed number of points. Only if the points awarded are earned by the player during the ball in play. To me, that defines "bonus".
Gottlieb's 1962 'Tropic Isle' awards 20 points per ball, or player skill can change it to be 200 points per ball. One value is guaranteed, the other value is earned. To your thinking, would only the 200 points value be an EOBB?
Quoted from paulace:I agree - doesn't feel much like a bonus if you have no control over it or haven't earned it.
By earning it, I presume you mean your ball-in-play has caused the bonus to increment from some starting point, usually 0 points or 1000 points in EM games. In your view, that would mean a bonus ladder is required?
"Earning" the bonus by this definition would exclude fixed-award gobble holes like the one on Gottlieb's 1960 'Spot-A-Card' which awards a fixed 200 points, while including variable-award gobble holes like that Seven Seas where player skill increases the hole value.
Let me fiddle with this understanding of "earning" the bonus...
What if you are a player who purposely aims his ball for the gobble hole? Aren't you "earning" the points award if you aim for the hole and get it, whether fixed-award or variable?
Most often on gobble holes games I'll not try to lose my ball into one. However, on Gottlieb's 1957 'Falstaff', when the variable gobble hole is worth 500 points you bet I will shoot for it every time. On Seven Seas, when the bonus ladder for either gobble hole is lit for the max 300 points, yes I will go for it. I earned those points. (Didn't I?) For lesser hole values on those games I will not aim for the holes but might still fall into them at some point during play when I didn't want that. This kinda draws into question what does "earning" points mean? Do I "earn" gobble hole points whether I aimed for the hole or not? Or only when I skillfully achieve it? Or is the act of "earning" a bonus only applicable prior to scoring it, as is the case with a bonus ladder?